Replying to Avatar Guy Swann

Is it just me, or does it seem like everyone is super reluctant to monetize services and relays on #Nostr?

If we can’t make these things sustainable then we will either lose them, or they will stay nothing more than a weird little corner of the internet with lots of hope but no chance of ever scaling.

I still haven’t seen the basic model of zap sharing tried by any major client or relay. But I DO see regularly comments about how expensive relays are. I mean it might not work, but can’t we TRY it?

I want to make the distinction here too that this doesn’t mean we are closing off the network, we are adding permissions to the protocol, this doesn’t suggest at all to used closed source code, we simply need the services necessary to keep this ecosystem robust, to be profitable and have the resources to thrive. If they aren’t, then NONE of this works. Economics is everything.

I know building features is more exciting. I know we all want to make everything that we can free, and I agree all of the *code* should be shared. However, I think there is a natural insecurity (and I say this because I have this problem personally) with charging a fair price, and fearing criticism or the ire of people who believe everything should be free (as in price) when we need things to be free (as in Liberty). They are not the same, and confusing the two could stifle, or drastically slow down, the insane potential of this place.

TL;DR We have GOT to divert some energy to thinking about how to make this ecosystem sustainable, or we will lose it.

(Disclaimer: this isn’t a judgement on whoever is thinking about this problem. It just *seems* like few are. If you are building in this way please share your ideas or what you are trying. I’m extremely interested)

It boils down to some services requiring to stay free or you scare people away. People are willing to pay for things that make sense to pay for but it has to provide some clear value beyond the traditional social media experience that everyone is accustomed to using for free.

I think it will be easier to monetize with more users as you’ll find your tribe of 100 easier (assuming you implement subscriptions). 

This is why I wrote a while ago about doubting v4v sustainability without subscriptions. You need to have recurring (read predictable) revenue to run any sort of business. If you have no idea how much you’re gonna get zapped this month or the next, it’s difficult to plan your business - hire, allocate resources. MAYBE as you get to massive scale and you get enough data to see what the average month zaps look like, you can work with raw v4v zaps, but I just don’t see it happening this early with our user base. Now… if you implement traditional fiat subscriptions, I think you’d be close to fully monetized or at least 50% monetized just by the passionate supporters that most of us are. Not everyone will pay, but enough will that it will make a difference. Of course, better if this subscription is in Bitcoin ;)

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Cela ressemble à une note que j'ai lu antérieurement réellement ne reproduisez le système Fiat ce serait dommage et pire encore dans un protocole décentralisé avec des retentissements nous qui impacteront