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There is definitely a tendency among many and temptation for many others to worship bitcoin the way we are tempted to worship any good thing. Our loves need to be rightly ordered and bitcoin needs to be kept in the proper place of a good ans powerful tool for human fliurishing. Amen and amen to Jesus Christ being savior and Lord.

I will respectfully counter your point, however, that the passage you site is how things end. That's not exactly how things *end*. Things end with Christ reigning and His Church victorious. With the earth full of the knowlede and glory of the Lord.

This passage does what is done throughout the book of Revelation (and various places in the OT) which is use economic language as a means of describing kingdom allegiances. The language of exchange is primarilly spiritual in nature here.

Robin 1y ago

The *this* that ends, is financial diversity and private transactions, what most convos on here revolve around. Consequently, this verse will also outline for many, when there freedom to choose Christ will end, for anyone who aligns with the Beast cannot be redeemed (Revelation 14:9-11). The first verses that I referenced don’t outline the end of everything, which technically doesn’t exist. Human souls will persist forever (longer than typos on Nostr ;)), they will persist in a literal and eternal Hell or a literal and eternal Heaven (Daniel 12:2). Earth will persist, but not the one we currently inhabit, this one will be consumed by fire and replaced (2 Peter 3:7)(2 Peter 3:13)(Revelation 21:1).

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Jordan Eskovitz 1y ago

Some helpful clarification. 👍

In agreement on the everlasting nature of souls, and a new heavens and new earth.

We diverge on the contextual application for Rev. 13. It had specific application for the first century generation of hearers/readers who were being put out of the synogog by the Jewish leaders at the time for following Christ. See also Romans 14 where Paul is addressing Jews who had been ostracized from the Jewish marketplace. The same generation that Jesus is addressing when he says "this generation will not pass away until all these things take place." Meaning the end of the spiritual power structures of the old world. Christ ushered in His kingdom at his coming but there was a time of overlap with the old world. This ended in AD 70 at the final destruction of the temple. This the future event being referred to in Rev. 13 and by Jesus in Mat. 24.

Now I would agree that there are beastly systems today, and there is definitely a push to eliminate financial choice, sovereignty, and privacy. But the attempt to control people via money is as old as man. Fiat and debt based economies are immoral and beastly and have been around for awhile. Nothing unique to our time.

I see bitcoin as a timely, God-given tool to be wisely and shrewdly stewarded. And even if the tyrants succeed in implementing their plans for a time, Christ will continue to preserve His people, the little kingdoms of lesser men will fall, Christ's kingdom will continue to advance and the gates of hell will not prevail against it.

Robin 1y ago

It’s so exciting that this conversation has hinged on the definition of the word *this* two times now! Coincidence or providence? *This* generation described in Matthew 24:34, is the generation that sees the “Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven” Matthew 24:30. Not only do they see His coming, but all the tribes of the earth are described as mourning.

“8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?” Luke 18:8

I can’t prove this without a shadow of a doubt using scripture. But I’m inclined to believe the earth in its current form will persist for 6,000 years and the millennial reign will be a type of sabbath for 1,000 years. If this is true, then we should be close to His coming, based on the number of years since the first Adam.

Jordan Eskovitz 1y ago

A smart observation. Thanks for continuing to engage, Robin. Though we are straying slightly from the original post, I always enjoy this kind of hearty discussion.

I still affirm that the generation Christ is referring to in Matthew 24 is the generation that he is speaking to in that context. Everything in that chapter pertains to 70AD.

Though I am an ESV guy, v.34, as I understand, is more accurately translated in the KJV “Then will appear the sign of the son of man in heaven”, that is, the sign does not appear in heaven but rather the sign appears that the Son of Man IS IN heaven. I.E. He is reigning in glory.

The temple is a small scale representation of the cosmos, like the tabernacle before it. The old world with its spiritual hierarchies is ended, His kingdom has come and has established a new cosmological rule. The Temple is no longer the center of true worship.

Cosmic language is often used throughout the OT (and is also used in Revelation) to speak of judgements on the land. Same thing is happening here. An “apocalypse” is a “revealing” and what will be revealed at 70AD and ever thereafter is that Christ is Lord, he is reigning, and he is making all his enemies his footstool. The kingdom advances, even in times like ours where it looks like it is weak and dying, and the enemies of Christ are organized and aiming to destroy God’s People. Nonetheless, Christ is on His throne and the world is becoming increasingly more Christianized.

I will posit that there are likely typological connections between Matthew 24 and Christ’s physical second coming. I am a bit of a typology nerd. And on that note, as for the millennial reign, I am of the perspective that it does typologically connect to the Sabbath but is not a literal 1000 years because Christ has already been reigning for 2000 years.