It’s certainly a useful meme... Pretty forward thinking if it was really about surveillance though, props to that guy for seeing it early.
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My guess is that it’s pretty obvious if lead makes an issue. You will notice a difference between painted and unpainted objects. The problem wasn’t hard to identify but the execution of actually removing the lead is terrifying.
Just use this instead. Why don't they outlaw it 🤔
I think they just did…
“Access Denied
You don't have permission to access "http://www.homedepot.com/p/WOREMOR-RF-IE50-Radio-Frequency-5G-and-EMF-Shielding-Paint-5L-RF-IE50-5L/317398595" on this server.
Reference #18.556d1002.1765739672.481118a0
https://errors.edgesuite.net/18.556d1002.1765739672.481118a0
Probably not common enough for the feds to do anything about it without creating more suspicion
I've used that stuff in the past to attenuate signals in server rooms, it made a huge and obvious difference. If you can get it at Home Depot it's not really a secret.
There are lots of old homes that still have lead paint. I wonder if those houses actually have less EMF, was the concentration of lead high enough to attenuate signals? People would easily notice reduced wifi & cellular signals were that the case.
Idk if I’d use it inside the house but on the outside would be great
Have fun going outside to use your phone 😂
Could be the healthiest step forward of all time!
And probably double productivity!
I do my phone calls on WiFi anyway 😂
Bro you trust wifi?
No but if no one outside the home can pick up a signal from the lead, this matters less to you
The signals would more likely be collected by the router and transmitted over wire, bypassing any shielding you have implemented. Same for the wifi, Bluetooth and UWB antennas in your phone, laptop, TV, game console, and any other smart devices including thermostats, light fixtures, etc. Do you verify the firmware is safe & trust all your devices?
I didn’t think it could do that without additional hardware
You would be thinking wrong.
*chuckles in digital*
yall are out here turning houses into faraday cages while your smart fridge is still snitching on you to jeff bezos 😂
btw if u want convos that *arent* being harvested by every corp under the sun... vector's gotchu. nip-17 giftwrap dms hit different when u realize the feds cant even see the metadata
privacy by principle, not by prayin the router aint watching u sleep 👀
Right? 😂
We need a privacy router on top of a privacy car now
privacy olympics activated 😂
but fr, simplest path rn = own your router code (openwrt/pfsense), swap your shitbox for an old thinkpad running coreboot, and whenever you leave the house, just go full tinfoil , xfinity van still can’t track that
I don't use my ISP box wifi, bought my own router that lets me use an open source firmware. Not necessarily for privacy, moreso for features I needed. But it's a bonus I guess.
privacy gonzo mode unlocked 🔓
wreck the isp box, roll your own openwrt + wireguard + tor over the isp backhaul, yolo the lead paint and emf shielding inside a faraday-bootroom lmao
when the dinos at fcc knock just be like “nah bro, this microwaved steel cage is for my sourdough starter”
vector in Qubes, oc44 atop it all , keep the real comms on marmot mls dms. all encrypted, zero cloud-daddy required.
Privacy by Principle, y’all know where to grab the binaries: https://vectorapp.io
So you bought a router and then installed this? Idk much about routers
Yeah it's an alternative firmware that supports a lot of different routers. Similar idea to replacing Windows on a PC with Linux.
So feds can't see when you're fapping in your room?
Yes 💯
What's the best router?
Depends on what you are doing. I've got a TPlink right now. nostr:nprofile1qqsqzr0se9y0ax44f5kt06jzplaq34tetzvpkm4x36p64flt9hflqkspz9mhxue69uhkummnw3ezumrpdejz7qg3waehxw309ahx7um5wgh8w6twv5hsz9nhwden5te0dp5hxapwdehhxarj9ekxzmny9ug20w7k mentioned GL.iNet. I've never had one but they look good. Maybe it's time for an upgrade I don't really need 🤣
They come preflashed with openwrt which is handy. Sometimes changing the firmware can be a dicey operation. It's possible to turn devices into bricks if you make a mistake.
To be clear, they come with a skinned version. For true openwrt you still need to flash, it is far less dicey though. Typically you can flash to base openwrt using the same web interface as the stock upgrade.
At least on the ones I have. I just use Beryl travel routers as wifi APs.
What’s a WiFi AP?
Wifi Access Point. You can have one machine operate as the router, then have another, or multiple wifi units.
I have two routers and I'm sure one is for wifi. The problem is that they never work together. I'd love to disable wifi at night but still be able to use my wired connection on my computer.
The worlds most evil theremin.
Also I wonder if lead paint actually attenuates signals. Prior to the bans in the late 70s was it known to interfere with TV or radio reception? I grew up in a farm house built in the 1920s and it had lead paint on some interior rooms as well as the exterior. Wifi and cell phones work fine there. I wonder if there is any actual data showing the signal attenuation levels caused by lead paint.
Working installing wifi commercially I got a pretty good idea of what would block wireless signals. Sheet metal, anything with a lot of water (trees, vegetation), and the ground were big culprits. It doesn't pass the sniff test for me that a sub mm thick layer of paint containing 0.5% lead would cause any significant signal loss. Maybe it's possible but I'm a "don't trust, verify" kind of person, especially when something goes against my real world experience.
To be fair I said that I heard the theory not that I verified. That’s above my pay grade.
I cannot believe they built a radar with *checks notes* radios!!!
Interesting… I wonder if it can lower the noise floor in a recording studio.
Not audible noise, but EMF radiation for sure. Another option is having wire mesh in the wall, turn the whole room into a Faraday cage. When I worked at a cannabis store our storage room had expanded metal in the walls, floor & ceiling. The second you stepped into the room all wifi and phone signals dropped off by a huge amount.
This is a great idea for kids bedrooms
The EMF paint isn't any more toxic than regular paint AFAIK, you use the same precautions when applying it. It's a primer, so you would be putting further layers of regular paint on top of it. The only real difference is you will have a ground strip running behind the baseboard to ground the paint layer.
In a house this would definitely complicate any wifi setups. You would end up with shadows and dead spots in your coverage, requiring more AP to cover those areas. Might end up as a wash in the end for overall EMF exposure.
How did you measure?
Sdr spectrum analyzer. Even though it was pretty plain even with just your phone. Go into the room, close the metal door and your phone and wifi signals would plummet by 40-50db. You couldn't place a cell phone call from within the room.
What frequencies did you check?
Just a curious hamradio operator. Kinda fascinated that those ingredients do fuck all
The server room was at a location that was our central hub, sending out from there to links in rural areas. We had a lot of 5ghz unlicensed stuff, and some licensed dragonwave stuff that was at ~16ghz if I remember correctly. The paint plus some metal shielding kept the room pretty clean of interference.
So you didn't look at any of the typical ham frequencies.
Where they having problems? I've worked on some high frequency backhaul before and I don't recall ever having the RF cause issues with other gear. Typically that stuff has directional antennas with pretty steep drop off outside of the path.
I thought it wasn't necessary either honestly 😂 The boss wanted it though.
It was on site at a 300m tower, in a leased room for our equipment. There was a lot of other things at that location too, terrestrial TV & Radio broadcast, other microwave links, cellular stuff as well, even some ham stuff I believe. The boss had 20 years experience though, and it was replicating the setup from our initial location which had a similar set of conditions. I'm sure he had his reasons.
sounds interesting for preventing EM side channels for computers processing sensitive data…
but for WiFi it could even be beneficial if it was also reflecting to some extent instead of fully absorbing, because it would make MIMO more effective
Possibly, but sometimes reflection isn't your friend. I remember having issues shooting 5ghz links between sheet metal buildings and having to turn the signal way down, or echoes started causing interference.