As an anarchist, this is one of those things like freedom of movement and settlement (aka uncontrolled immigration) where I believe separating between current reality and hoped future is fundamental.

To begin with, Germany is not a liberal utopia. It's a Corporatist regime, like the rest of the developed world. To follow, its only real existential threat in the classical sense (State vs State) is another Corporatist regime, Russia. This adversary, due to its historical path dependence, is economically and socially underdeveloped and institutionally more old fashioned than Germany.

In short, unlike Germany (and the rest of Europe) with its dictatorship of the majority as legitimating façade for its rule by the elite, Russia is a classical strongman fascist dictatorship in which formalities can be dispensed with end Putin rules by brute force and a simplistic ultranationalism, the appeal to long gone soviet imperialism, social ultraconservatism and other crude means of mass control (quite similar to the tools the CCP uses, sans the economic uplift of 300 million people of course).

In the end both regimes, Germany and Russia, work upon identical assumptions: the State ultimately owns everything and everybody within its territory, and there is no limit to the will of the ruling elite. All they need to do is find the right lever within the toolbox of the legitimating apparatus.

That all said (and it was a lot), taking my anarchist hat off and putting myself in the shoes of the ruling Corporatist bureaucracy of Germany, some form of conscription, that is, a period of time where the State, instead of owning 50-70% of your working time as it does regularly, owns 100%, makes sense to deter of confront a foe like Russia. It is consistent with the foundations of the regime, and it's not more egregious than what is already in place. I have no doubt they would rather spend the resources (both money and political legitimacy and will) on other stuff, like they have done these past 40 years but, like they're taught in college, the material conditions are the material conditions, and Putin's Russia is an unreliable neighbor.

Also, I haven't even read the details, but I'm quite sure that regardless of the proposals floated now, what will actually pass, if it does (it will have to beat the Russian and internal anti-Western propaganda apparatus first), it will be not simply a form of military service, but also "social service", which will be the heavily favored option for most conscripts.

I have to say, in a utopian future where a dictatorship of the majority somehow gave me, as Supreme Ruler, a consistent and sustained mandate to reform the Corporatist regime into a libertarian one, I would probably institute a form of mandated military service too. None of that social nonsense, strictly military.

And I would keep it in place until there were no existential threats in the form of Corporatist, classical fascist, or any other form of socialist state-worshipping regimes around my country who could potentially force a regime change on us by an act of war.

For the same reason I would keep a border and strict immigration rules, and would look closely at trade with states and regimes who do not apply similar rules (or lack thereof) to the ones we would apply internally.

These are clear violations and restrictions of freedom and thus incompatible with liberalism, there simply is no question of that. But they would be externally generated ones, out of necessity vs existential threats. Internally, the transition would be total, until the State evaporated completely from people's lives, except in those few affairs mentioned above.

I would call this an acceptable transitional "compromise".

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Hayek's supposed views on/support for(?) "Transitional Dictatorship" come to mind.

Oh well, I totally disagree with Hayek's Pinochet shenanigans. I find them shameful, revolting and incredibly damaging to the cause of liberty -- 60 years later the label "liberal" still means ultra-right wing in the whole Spanish speaking world, thanks to the Chicago Boys.

They are proof too for Ayn Rand's critique that the "libertarians" (as in Hayek/Friedman) really only concerned themselves with coming up with a few moral arguments to justify economic laissez faire, instead of arriving to laissez faire as the necessary conclusion of a moral principle like she claims she did (and, more to my liking, like Henry George explicitly).

Forgot to add: like Hayek though, I am completely in favor of what has been wrongly labeled as "limited democracy". Democracy is simply a decision-making method that works quite well for equally-shared common goods, from the point of view of keeping the non-agression principle as the core of a society. But that's all it should be applied for.

The extension of this method to EVERYTHING, including the private property and life of individuals, is the problem. That's when democracy becomes the dictatorship of the majority and simply a tool of legitimization of unlimited rule by the elite, as seen in the West today.

Where can I learn more about Hayek's Pinochet stance? Do you think that the Anglo angle misses out on such points of view that in Spanish angle is more of a topic of criticism? Also "Progress and Poverty" a good start on Henry George?

I've tried to initiate, here on nostr, discussion about reasoned criticism of the "Austrian School" heroes. It doesn't seem to inspire much interest.🫣

There are plenty of articles on the internet, but I think what many miss is an explicit contextualization. Hayek (and Friedman) visited Chile during Pinochet's military dictatorship invited by former pupils of Friedman (the so called "Chicago Boys") who had become "economic advisors" in the Pinochet government.

So Hayek was trying to validate the work of Friedman's disciples and his own theories, but as a consequence, he was lending legitimacy to Pinochet himself. On top of that, Hayek also criticized the press in the "democratic" hemisphere for "misrepresenting" Chile's (economic) situation. Friedman got himself in a similar situation for the same reasons, but after the fact he was more self-aware at least.

While I think the involvement of (at least) the CIA in the coup is at this point non-controversial, I do reject the notion that the left has spread that the coup had the explicit objective of putting the Chicago Boys in power and that Chile was "the first neoliberal laboratory". Pinochet's coup, was "simply" an anti-communist fascist regime, of the exact same kind the US favored at the time everywhere: in Spain, Portugal, Taiwan, South Korea, Southern Vietnam...

To prove that, one only has to look at the first years of the dictatorship. Pinochet's economic measures were far from liberal, and as a consequence the economic situation after the coup did not improve at all (only inflation, partially). Only then, when Pinochet feared that the social unrest would topple him and got desperate to try anything, did the Chicago Boys get a chance to implement their recipe, which as we all know, eventually caused Chile not only to recover but to progress beyond any other Latin American country for decades until today.

The problem was that, obviously, the success of economic liberalism was used by Pinochet (and then by Reagan and Thatcher, famously) to obtain the legitimacy necessary to justify and carry on with all of his other anti-liberal agendas. This is still the case today in most of the Spanish speaking world, where by association with anti-marxism, and because Friedman-Hayekian libertarians appeared happy to divorce economic liberalism from social liberalism, "libertarianism" has been coopted by the most anti-human, collectivist, ultranationalist, theocratic, militaristic... in short, anti-liberal, sectors of the political spectrum.

Here's one video from Reason, apologetic of Friedman's behavior towards Pinochet and Chile https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTU1sxLnlgc that basically says that Friedman was a poor innocent American scholar who took for granted the American framework of social liberties, so he simply could not imagine that morals where important too and was surprised that his actions were "misinterpreted". I guess they don't give a pass to Hayek because he was an Austrian born in 1899 who should have known better than to legitimize a fascist dictatorship with the excuse that he thought it would be "temporary".

One more academic article also apologetic/excusing Hayek: https://hope.econ.duke.edu/sites/hope.econ.duke.edu/files/Hayek%20and%20Chile-version11%20%282%29.pdf

Changing subjects, as for Henry George yes, Poverty is the one you want to read, but please for the love of god grab the abridged version because good old Hank didn't have the gift of writing xD

Thank you Sir. I'm currently reading Francois Gautier's "Rewriting Indian History" so I'll get on to Henry's book next.

So Jews got attracted to communism?

Gosh that's surprising.