I also just want to say, when having these debates, it's often apparent to me that these sorts of things are really political and in many cases, arguments about meta-ethics.

Most people who believe the collapse of all fiat currency, the welfare state and the rise of bitcoin is "inevitable" are almost universally coming from an anarchist and/or extreme libertarian position.

When you scratch beneath the surface, you start to find that they tend to believe there's an inevitability that everyone will come to understand market maximalism is the only ethical way to live. In this sense, I believe these arguments are lost in quite a bit of moral and epistemic confusion.

I recognize some might be offended to hear me put it that way. But it's what I think, and I would be practicing a form of hypocrisy if I wasn't honest about that.