Who is charging them Munn or WoS?

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Itโ€™s Muun. The wonderful nostriches helped me figure it out. Muun was charging on-chain fees to perform submarine swaps. Plus they kept showing my transactions failing while pocketing the fees. Outrageous. Wonโ€™t make that mistake again.

Wow. Maybe wait until the fees are lower then

I ended up clearing my Muun wallet on-chain and will live in WoS for now! Just absolutely laughable:

what happened

Muun wallet bad, #[4]โ€‹ good

Haha. but Muun is non custodial. Its like the money under your pillow.

Did you incur high fee when sending or receiving?

100-200% fees for a lightning transaction, but didnโ€™t realize they were doing submarine swaps and were charging me fees for on-chain transactions. A couple lightning payments failed but I lost over 10k sats in fees on those failed transactions

I tried sending 200k sat to getalby and they charged me 2k sats only.

Anyway i closed my muun too after reading your post

I have almost zero technical know how so probably did something wrong, but still kind of a bummer and annoying frictions

Muun wasnt design for the social as well so you dont get your zap, lnurl or ln address

Were you using a lightning address on an onchain address?

Lightning address

Weird, fees are really low within WoS but when you send to other wallets they may have to open channels but that shouldnโ€™t cost more than 2-3K in sats.

Muun is way cheaper. I did my first withdraw yesterday. I send my sats from WoS to Muun.

Looks like he had a different experience not sure if this is a setting or something to avoid these high fees but strange

Yeah thatโ€™s odd this was my transaction to my ledger yesterday from moon only cost like 1600 sats in fees. WoS is usually 9,000-12,000 in fees for me.

Avoid posting txid and info online itโ€™s bad Opsec even if small amounts

Oh really? Thanks didnโ€™t know.

Yes since bitcoin blockchain is public ppl can trace your transactions if they wanted to

Thatโ€™s why itโ€™s important to not share too much about your holding, transactions etc donโ€™t make yourself a target

I donโ€™t really care for privacy but still probably best not to share that info.

Lol. I closed my muun wallet too. Using getalby for now. Hopefully @bumi could figure out a multisig or self custody solution for us