the rest sounds like mistranslation & transmission issues to me
as not an expert
& just my two cents
Discussion
value stack
misaligned value stacks
causing misreads
that's my take
work on clarity of transmission between parties under the assumption that every single person is of equal brilliance
equal or if unsure err on the side of above you & you the dimmer one
that is a way of tuning to deeper clarity
if someone is suddenly full of rage, aggressive or a total dick at any of these talks of course snap back at them
or leave it & wreck them later if they dont stop acting in a way that is hurtful & counterproductive & painful
but if everyone is working relatively well together earnestly trying to riddle this out..
everyone equal
or err that you as in first person you (whoever you are, attendee, reader, etc) are the dimmest one here to simply listen
truly does this orientation tune you fastest, in my experience anyway, into hearing what people are actually trying to teach & contribute & share & give