Nostr Web Client

Most folk here have a bone to pick with other SM platforms and nostr's not s platform so yeah, sorry we are better 😂

Bitcoin academia... have you read nostr:npub1gdu7w6l6w65qhrdeaf6eyywepwe7v7ezqtugsrxy7hl7ypjsvxksd76nak ?

Just looking at your profile stats and seeing less than 100 notes and less than 50 following... unless you're using Jumble you might well be in your own bubble here. 🤷🏻‍♂️

All that said, I approve this rant. We need more rants on nostr. 🫂

ishaq 8mo ago

Neither Amethyst nor Damus want to play with Coinos. Oh well, I’ll do it manually.

Thank you for your reply. Having a bone to pick is fine, it’s the cult-like behavior that’s bothersome. Denying the merits of other platforms is simply immature. :-)

Thanks for the suggestion re: Saifedean. I’ll follow him. I have not heard of him before, and a search for author name on eprint and arXiv returns no papers. In general, one needs to have published peer-reviewed research to qualify as an academic. I have read articles posted by BItcoin Majlis and/or Muslim Bitcoiner in the past. Those were flawed. Will see about Saif.

From my profile you have discovered that I don’t participate much. I agree with that assessment. I did preface my rant with “in my experience”. Having said that, my profile does not give you evidence that the people I follow are the only people whose notes I have read.

Maybe I need to unfollow the people who are making this “bubble” for me and follow other people. :D

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ابو مريم 8mo ago

Coinos with Damus usually works fine for me. I just set someone up that way this past week. Yakihonne is by far my favorite client though and Jumble has great options for expanding your feed. I have yet to try Amethyst so you're ahead of me there 😁

I personally don't find any merits to SM platforms and morally detest their policies and business practices. Trying to compare them to nostr, which is a protocol, is false analogy. I have no problem with people who do find benefit from such platforms, we can disgree on that. But treating them as categorically equivalent to nostr is an invalid inference.

I think most any bitcoiner would say Saifedaen is required reading. I believe the brothers at nostr:npub1f7n47xajdxnvrespa939hvcta6ys362k4sy3yjd2e2ea6dcghpvs2tm25c are working to publish an academic journal soon so if you have criticism for them I'm sure they'd appreciate the feedback. Otherwise, I know of Major Lowery's paper at MIT that was quite "academic"...

I think it is very easy to form bubbles or echo chambers here on nostr. Some effort is required to diversify. Most clients don't have great tools built to assist with this yet although they are improving. I see it s lot like early bitcoin days - a bit rough and bumpy but over time you form lovely communities. That time spent is the important part! Bitcoin took a few cycles before it hit 100k. Nostr has only been around about 3 years and already has rebuilt from protocol nearly everything SM platforms have done in the past 2 decades. For me the beauty of the future to come is what makes the wild journey here worth it. I'm sure that won't be the case for everyone, but hopefully you can find something beneficial in nostr while you're here.

ishaq 8mo ago

I understand. I shall try Jumble. I have found amethyst to be quiet temperamental. Thank you for the suggestions ☺️

Oh I am not comparing the protocol with a platform at all. But the protocol does give rise to a distributed platform. And a big chunk of the people on this platform (nostriches) within my bubble are constantly treating Nostr as something sacred (same thing happens for Bitcoin). But lets agree to disagree on this. Btw, I have no horse in this race, i used Facebook for a few months in 2007 and Twitter for a year or so around 2011.

With respect, and I say this now only because the topic has come up, I have a Ph.D. in cryptography with focus on multiparty computation, Saif is completely unknown in this line of research, much less required reading. Not trying to act snobbish, saying what is true. ☺️ Similarly, unless Bitcoin Majlis folks get some academics behind their "journal", it is going to be another evangelist magazine. Non-reseaechers cannot start an academic journal (exceptions aside). Besides, why do they need to start an "academic" journal considering we already have established, very high quality, venues for such research. What purpose would it seve except "me too"!

Yes, I agree re:Nostr. Other SM tools? they have their merits, lets agree to disagree. 😁

ابو مريم 8mo ago

Saifedean and a few of the brothers at Bitcoin Majlis also have PhDs, in a variety of disciplines. Not sure if they've come at it from a cryptography focus though.

Curious to hear what your criticism of Bitcoin is on that front.