Oh that's not how I interpreted that at all! I didn't connect the previous convo lol! Yeah but the answer is the same. People are being stupid. I still don't understand the oxytocin thing, that part of the water, I am not conceptualizing the way you do.

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Very cool! So it's an ingroup bias hormone that also mediates trust of ingroup.

Does this tend to indicate that people who are more tribal, who have a stronger ingroup bias, who have fierce team loyalties in sports, who are normies with political affiliations, tend to have a stronger sensitivity to oxytocin or higher levels of it?

I would imagine that this is also potentially mediated or varied by sensitivity/depth of processing, testosterone, and temperament.

Like I believe higher testosterone tends to turn on thinking independently so that the ingroups and outgroups are identified in a way more conducive to survival, and such that behavior can be handled rationally rather than with callous dismissal and hostility or blind trust. Being less of a dick and not trusting but verifying. Courage to face the unknown can come from testosterone or from a natural curiosity in one's temperament and values, and is a moral trait that is ultimately much more advantageous for the group and for individual prosperity, I would think.

I don't know much about testosterone, but what you are describing, 'the leadership hormone', is serotonin.

Crap! That is the wrong video.

This one: and unfortunately it's super long. Dang.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReRcHdeUG9Y

Still watching lol! This is great stuff, thank you!

I am so gonna use this to build rapport with people I'm trying to evangelize libertarianism to