Ukraine was ALWAYS going to lose unless the USA went ALL IN against Russia WW3 style. Not fighting a war that isn’t our damn business is not a betrayal. Acknowledging that Ukraine has the lower hand and, therefore, must make consessions to negotiate is NOT a betrayal.

If I am losing a boxing match so badly that I might die, my coach throwing the towel for me is an act of LOYALTY, not betrayal.

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The Ukraine's goobermint is corrupt. They enrich themselves off the US taxpayer. The borrow lots of money, steal most of it, and launder 10% back to the big guy so they get more.

If Russia nuked the Ukraine today I would not shed a tear.

Also agreed. I didn’t address that bit because I didn’t see it as directly relevant to the contention over whether Ukraine needed to give up land to negotiate peace, but you are totally right. I just left it out because Ukraine would need to give up land due to the tactical/strategic/diplomatic situation even if they weren’t a corrupt bad “ally”.

But, yes, the reason they have kept up the charade of having a fighting chance for so long is because of financial and political guarantees in exchange for laundering money for western globalist regimes.

Yep.