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I am thinking that using "disinformation" to mean "does not agree with the establishment" is a very bad way to use the term, and also very bad for the establishment longer term.

I think one should use the term "disinformation" as something related to "information", which is about the passing of strings of bits from one computer to another without loss. Lightweight additions to such a theory that would allow one for example to express who said what and for whom the message was intended, when it was written, etc is something we in computer science could tackle without requiring us to take over the job of law courts or debating chambers. We software engineers need to provide the framework so that truth claims can be made, the agent making them can make themselves known (anonymous communication should also be allowed) and their relation to legal institutions can be made visible to people out there. This would allow people to understand the legal weight of a claim: is it just some person expressing an opinion, or are they making themselves legally available to criticism if something goes wrong?

https://medium.com/@bblfish/use-cases-for-the-web-of-nations-361c24d5eaee

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Hyolobrika 2y ago

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>https://scribe.rip/bblfish/use-cases-for-the-web-of-nations-361c24d5eaee

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Running commentary:

As for #1. Enhance Trust in small businesses: that sounds interesting and probably useful, but I think it should be extended to allow trust links from institutions other than governments. It should be configurable in the browser which organisations the user trusts (which may or may not include their government).

As for #2. Help stand out: it's starting to feel a bit authoritarian and sinister now.

>Having official information readily available in the browser showing the domain of expertise of the company or institution behind a web site would hugely increase our ability to work together on urgent problems.

Why? Knowledge is something that comes from the real world, filtered through each individual's sense organs and brain, not officially deemed "Legitimate Institutions of Knowledge".

A lot of these ideas of yours involve an enhanced role for the state, which I don't like.

>This is made all the more problematic as widely available machine translation technologies are exposing people to web sites published in regions they know little of.

I don't understand why that would make a difference.

As for #3. Make Fake News Web sites stand out: this one is really sinister. Who defines "fake news"?

The great thing about the internet is that it is (relatively) anarchic, and should be made more so, not less.

You can fuck right off with your knowledge gatekeeping bullshit.

bblfish 2y ago

Thanks for writing up your thoughts on the #WebOfNations which I originally published here:

https://medium.com/@bblfish/use-cases-for-the-web-of-nations-361c24d5eaee

I am happy to finally get some feedback!

Your point #1 is completely ok. You could have non-governmental organisations that also give you trust. States are tied to laws, so they have some major advantages, so I focused on them.

For #2 it is not authoritarian as it is - or should be - completely opt-in. Many businesses would like people to be able to find them via legal systems, which they are completely tied to anyway since they pay taxes, social security, health insurance, etc...

For #3 the idea is really to make completely fake news sites stand out - ie those that pretend to be say, Washington based but are actually run from a garage in some completely different country. That does not, of course, stop registered websites from publishing fake stories - the only thing that can stop that is for people to hold them accountable over time.

The point is that we don't really need a lot to deal with misinformation. We only need a better way of recognising how websites are tied to legal infrastructures. That would help small commerce a lot, for example. Currently, the only websites that can gather such trust are multinationals (eg Amazon) because they can create worldwide marketing campaigns so that people remember their domain name by heart.

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