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I am thinking that using "disinformation" to mean "does not agree with the establishment" is a very bad way to use the term, and also very bad for the establishment longer term.
I think one should use the term "disinformation" as something related to "information", which is about the passing of strings of bits from one computer to another without loss. Lightweight additions to such a theory that would allow one for example to express who said what and for whom the message was intended, when it was written, etc is something we in computer science could tackle without requiring us to take over the job of law courts or debating chambers. We software engineers need to provide the framework so that truth claims can be made, the agent making them can make themselves known (anonymous communication should also be allowed) and their relation to legal institutions can be made visible to people out there. This would allow people to understand the legal weight of a claim: is it just some person expressing an opinion, or are they making themselves legally available to criticism if something goes wrong?
https://medium.com/@bblfish/use-cases-for-the-web-of-nations-361c24d5eaee
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>https://scribe.rip/bblfish/use-cases-for-the-web-of-nations-361c24d5eaee
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Running commentary:
As for #1. Enhance Trust in small businesses: that sounds interesting and probably useful, but I think it should be extended to allow trust links from institutions other than governments. It should be configurable in the browser which organisations the user trusts (which may or may not include their government).
As for #2. Help stand out: it's starting to feel a bit authoritarian and sinister now.
>Having official information readily available in the browser showing the domain of expertise of the company or institution behind a web site would hugely increase our ability to work together on urgent problems.
Why? Knowledge is something that comes from the real world, filtered through each individual's sense organs and brain, not officially deemed "Legitimate Institutions of Knowledge".
A lot of these ideas of yours involve an enhanced role for the state, which I don't like.
>This is made all the more problematic as widely available machine translation technologies are exposing people to web sites published in regions they know little of.
I don't understand why that would make a difference.
As for #3. Make Fake News Web sites stand out: this one is really sinister. Who defines "fake news"?
The great thing about the internet is that it is (relatively) anarchic, and should be made more so, not less.
You can fuck right off with your knowledge gatekeeping bullshit.
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I mean, I get that you want gay people to have equal rights (so do I) but the government is supposed to listen to both sides. That's how democracy works.
God I love bullying scum
However, calling someone by their preferred gender is the decent thing to do. I'm just saying the government can't get involved.
I wouldn't like it if someone called me "she".
You can take my liberty to call someone whatever gender I please from my cold, dead hands.
I will never suffer t(y)ranny.
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What is it?
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Are you talking about the Pirahã?
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World War Web
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If people just blamed the Jews as a joke, it wouldn't bother me so much.
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>Does it bother you when people blame the boomers for the current financial predicament?
Currently no. But now that I come to think of it, it should. Thanks.
>Whites for the modern and/ or historical problems of minorities both in the west and the Global South?
Yes. In fact, IIRC the main reason I am on this side of fedi is because I get into fights with social injustice warriors who blame whites and think only racism against them is acceptable but not against minorities.
>Did you know there is a very popular conspiracy theory that "Anglos" secretly run the entire world? If so do you think that conspiracy includes all Anglos, even according to the conspiracy theorists?
I always thought the "eternal Anglo" memes were a joke. Like the "Hibernian conspiracy" memes.
>Surely you must know that anything you or I say will federate to instances that don't respect deletes, right?
I'm not planning on deleting it.
I hope that everyone who sees it understands my position and doesn't think I'm "only calling myself white/Jewish when it's convenient".
Ah, you were saying *Earl* is a Nazi, not yourself. My bad.
> Is that what most people in the West want, do you think?
This isn't a rhetorical question. I genuinely don't know.
No (and I'm specifically talking about the ethnic Europeans not wanting it).
> What makes you think there are no liberal Jews in Israel?
What makes you think there are no nationalist Jews in the West?
You're once again speaking in absolutes.
Current Israeli leading coalition:
Likud - centre right to right wing
Shas - Right wing (social policy, LW fiscal because religious)
Otzma Yehudit - Far right
United Torah Judaism - Right wing
Religious Zionist Party - Far right
Noam - Far right
They defeated a mostly centre/ rw coalition to get back into power
In fact:
“There’s no real left in Israel,” Sara Guggenheim, a 27-year-old content developer from Jerusalem, told VICE World News. “The most left-wing party in Israel would be considered a centre-right or right-wing party in Europe.”
https://www.vice.com/en/article/xgymww/israel-elections-right-wing-ben-gvir
Let's compare that to the USA (very difficult to get ethnic/ religious demographic or political data in Europe)
Approximately 1 in 5 US Jews are politically conservative:
https://www.aei.org/op-eds/yes-there-are-politically-conservative-jews-out-there/
This translates to about 1 in 4 Jews voting Republican:
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/05/11/u-s-jews-political-views/
This is a huge chasm, only larger gap Democrat to Republican is among Blacks, though the Liberal - Conservative gap is completely different among Blacks.
> Here is a (liberal, Western) Jew who criticises the Israeli government... Sorry. I recently decided I'm not Jewish
That was a quick turnaround, but activitypub and the internet itself is for better or worse, forever.
> BTW, what about the alt-righter who is willing to debate vs the alt-righter who wants to fight and kill his enemies? Does one hand wash the other or no?
Alt right is an interesting term. I assume you're talking about Earl who may correct me but I would place most closely with NatSoc. My politics are perhaps a little more difficult to define. Ultimately I don't have a lot of faith in politicians and politics by extension. Politicians are at best deeply flawed and at worst machiavellian. I try not to focus too much on political solutions partly because I can't pretend to know for sure that my way is the best way but also because I have no political power. I focus my time on the effective acceleration of technological progress.
Perhaps you think any kind of antisemitism automatically makes someone altright but I can certainly find you some leftist antisemites. How would you define alt right?
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>No (and I'm specifically talking about the ethnic Europeans not wanting it).
It's a shame that there is barely any uninhabited land not owned by an existing state left on Earth. Otherwise, people like you of any ethnicity could start states based on your principles without bothering others.
Then again, it would be hard to do that for ethnonationalism because you would have to portion up the land between each ethnicity.
In fact, I've always wondered: what about mixed-race people? Where do they go?
>... Current Israeli leading coalition: ...
Well, that's not really relevant to me or my family AFAIK so (getting back to my original question) I guess the reason it bothers me when people online blame the Jews is because no one I know does the things they are blamed for.
Anti-semites usually don't distinguish between good and bad Jews in my experience and want to punish the whole race. You seem to be an exception.
Also, because they are very uncharitable in arguing with me and interpret innocuous things as unethical behaviour.
Which brings me to:
>That was a quick turnaround, but activitypub and the internet itself is for better or worse, forever.
Why does that sound like a threat?
I told you I'm confused. Don't be uncharitable please.
>How would you define alt right?
I would say ethnonationalists and "NatSocs" are alt-right. Your movement more generally. But I don't have a precise definition.
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>I think the creators of western civilisation (ethnic Europeans) should guide it's future, independent of the influence of others.
Is that what most people in the West want, do you think?
This isn't a rhetorical question. I genuinely don't know.
>The RW nationalist Jew in Israel who wants these things for the west but not Israel ...
I have a cousin who lives in Israel. I don't think she's a RW nationalist. In fact, I've heard she sticks up for the rights of Arabs at her uni. But I'm not in contact with her much.
What makes you think there are no liberal Jews in Israel?
What makes you think there are no nationalist Jews in the West?
If you want to know what I think, I think Israel should stop oppressing the Palestinians in the West Bank. In fact there are loads of Jews who think that.
Here is a (liberal, Western) Jew who criticises the Israeli government for being right-wing and oppressing Palestinians: https://www.stallman.org/archives/2023-jan-apr.html
BTW, what about the alt-righter who is willing to debate vs the alt-righter who wants to fight and kill his enemies? Does one hand wash the other or no?
>I assume as a proponent of individual responsibility you vote for the most libertarian party in your country and not the socialists, right?
I see what you're saying but I think that economic libertarianism is different from individual, as opposed to collective, guilt.
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>If you want to know what I think
Sorry. I recently decided I'm not Jewish because my mum isn't and I don't practice Judaism, and now here I am acting as though I am.
I'm not being sneaky. I'm just confused.
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>I think the creators of western civilisation (ethnic Europeans) should guide it's future, independent of the influence of others.
Is that what most people in the West want, do you think?
This isn't a rhetorical question. I genuinely don't know.
>The RW nationalist Jew in Israel who wants these things for the west but not Israel ...
I have a cousin who lives in Israel. I don't think she's a RW nationalist. In fact, I've heard she sticks up for the rights of Arabs at her uni. But I'm not in contact with her much.
What makes you think there are no liberal Jews in Israel?
What makes you think there are no nationalist Jews in the West?
If you want to know what I think, I think Israel should stop oppressing the Palestinians in the West Bank. In fact there are loads of Jews who think that.
Here is a (liberal, Western) Jew who criticises the Israeli government for being right-wing and oppressing Palestinians: https://www.stallman.org/archives/2023-jan-apr.html
BTW, what about the alt-righter who is willing to debate vs the alt-righter who wants to fight and kill his enemies? Does one hand wash the other or no?
>I assume as a proponent of individual responsibility you vote for the most libertarian party in your country and not the socialists, right?
I see what you're saying but I think that economic libertarianism is different from individual, as opposed to collective, guilt.
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>And who is playing to win right now?
Probably you, based on your promotion of unjust blame for the purpose of ethnic supremacy.
No problem. Thanks for not blocking (yet)
> Ah. I think you misunderstood me, or I wasn't clear. I agree with that. I wasn't saying that we shouldn't punish individual corporations. I was saying it doesn't make sense to punish an entire *sector*.
The Phoebus cartel controlled the sector, at least in the western world. They ensured there was no competition or people would have purchased the better, cheaper lightbulbs.
> I don't know about the statistics, but I'm sure there are a significant number of Jews who don't think that way. For instance, my dad. If you punish a group collectively, you will punish those innocent members.
Women are shorter than men. You may know some tall women. Some of them may be extremely tall, but women are shorter than men. Suggesting that evidence of the exception disproves the rule is disingenuous. No matter what should or shouldn't happen, nobody is getting punished.
> Prove it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erving_Goffman
Worked deconstructing eugenics and was basically responsible for the modern policy of mostly outpatient care of mental patients based on his book Asylums. Also worked to destigmatise race, disability, deviancy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Boas
Inventor of "race is a social construct"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Jay_Gould
Wrote "The mismeasure of man" a fraudulent debunking of race.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Lewontin
"More differences within race than between races"
> I don't know how to interpret that diagram. And even if that theory is true, "winning" doesn't justify unjust behaviour.
And who is playing to win right now?
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>Suggesting that evidence of the exception disproves the rule is disingenuous.
I'm not saying the exception disproves the tendency. I'm saying that the exception proves that punishment of the whole group is not right.
>No matter what should or shouldn't happen, nobody is getting punished.
What do you think should happen?
>Worked deconstructing eugenics
Coercive eugenics or voluntary? If the former, based.
>was basically responsible for the modern policy of mostly outpatient care of mental patients based on his book Asylums.
Based. People shouldn't be locked up for thoughtcrime.
>Also worked to destigmatise race, disability, deviancy
Those are all good things (to destigmatise them, not to embody them).
What makes you think that these Jews didn't believe in the things they were saying?
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Or promote violence
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Thank you for having a rational and adult discussion with me BTW. Most other antisemites I've met just shitpost or fling slurs.