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> What do you think should happen?

I think the creators of western civilisation (ethnic Europeans) should guide it's future, independent of the influence of others. I also know this isn't going to happen.

> It's not the whole group

Also:

Based... Based... These are all good things

The RW nationalist Jew in Israel who wants these things for the west but not Israel vs the western liberal Jew who wants these things for the west because it's 👏 about 👏 being 👏 a 👏 decent 👏 human 👏 being but doesn't want to talk about Israel because "That's not my country".

One hand washes the other.

> Probably you, based on your promotion of unjust blame for the purpose of ethnic supremacy.

Still talking about rugged individualism instead of groups. I assume as a proponent of individual responsibility you vote for the most libertarian party in your country and not the socialists, right?

Being aware that I have no power and we are losing is not playing to win. It's simply realising that our current trajectory is not in my best interests.

Hyolobrika 2y ago

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>I think the creators of western civilisation (ethnic Europeans) should guide it's future, independent of the influence of others.

Is that what most people in the West want, do you think?

This isn't a rhetorical question. I genuinely don't know.

>The RW nationalist Jew in Israel who wants these things for the west but not Israel ...

I have a cousin who lives in Israel. I don't think she's a RW nationalist. In fact, I've heard she sticks up for the rights of Arabs at her uni. But I'm not in contact with her much.

What makes you think there are no liberal Jews in Israel?

What makes you think there are no nationalist Jews in the West?

If you want to know what I think, I think Israel should stop oppressing the Palestinians in the West Bank. In fact there are loads of Jews who think that.

Here is a (liberal, Western) Jew who criticises the Israeli government for being right-wing and oppressing Palestinians: https://www.stallman.org/archives/2023-jan-apr.html

BTW, what about the alt-righter who is willing to debate vs the alt-righter who wants to fight and kill his enemies? Does one hand wash the other or no?

>I assume as a proponent of individual responsibility you vote for the most libertarian party in your country and not the socialists, right?

I see what you're saying but I think that economic libertarianism is different from individual, as opposed to collective, guilt.

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Hyolobrika 2y ago

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>If you want to know what I think

Sorry. I recently decided I'm not Jewish because my mum isn't and I don't practice Judaism, and now here I am acting as though I am.

I'm not being sneaky. I'm just confused.

H 2y ago

> Is that what most people in the West want, do you think?

This isn't a rhetorical question. I genuinely don't know.

No (and I'm specifically talking about the ethnic Europeans not wanting it).

> What makes you think there are no liberal Jews in Israel?

What makes you think there are no nationalist Jews in the West?

You're once again speaking in absolutes.

Current Israeli leading coalition:

Likud - centre right to right wing

Shas - Right wing (social policy, LW fiscal because religious)

Otzma Yehudit - Far right

United Torah Judaism - Right wing

Religious Zionist Party - Far right

Noam - Far right

They defeated a mostly centre/ rw coalition to get back into power

In fact:

“There’s no real left in Israel,” Sara Guggenheim, a 27-year-old content developer from Jerusalem, told VICE World News. “The most left-wing party in Israel would be considered a centre-right or right-wing party in Europe.”

https://www.vice.com/en/article/xgymww/israel-elections-right-wing-ben-gvir

Let's compare that to the USA (very difficult to get ethnic/ religious demographic or political data in Europe)

Approximately 1 in 5 US Jews are politically conservative:

https://www.aei.org/op-eds/yes-there-are-politically-conservative-jews-out-there/

This translates to about 1 in 4 Jews voting Republican:

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/05/11/u-s-jews-political-views/

This is a huge chasm, only larger gap Democrat to Republican is among Blacks, though the Liberal - Conservative gap is completely different among Blacks.

> Here is a (liberal, Western) Jew who criticises the Israeli government... Sorry. I recently decided I'm not Jewish

That was a quick turnaround, but activitypub and the internet itself is for better or worse, forever.

> BTW, what about the alt-righter who is willing to debate vs the alt-righter who wants to fight and kill his enemies? Does one hand wash the other or no?

Alt right is an interesting term. I assume you're talking about Earl who may correct me but I would place most closely with NatSoc. My politics are perhaps a little more difficult to define. Ultimately I don't have a lot of faith in politicians and politics by extension. Politicians are at best deeply flawed and at worst machiavellian. I try not to focus too much on political solutions partly because I can't pretend to know for sure that my way is the best way but also because I have no political power. I focus my time on the effective acceleration of technological progress.

Perhaps you think any kind of antisemitism automatically makes someone altright but I can certainly find you some leftist antisemites. How would you define alt right?