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> Is that what most people in the West want, do you think?

This isn't a rhetorical question. I genuinely don't know.

No (and I'm specifically talking about the ethnic Europeans not wanting it).

> What makes you think there are no liberal Jews in Israel?

What makes you think there are no nationalist Jews in the West?

You're once again speaking in absolutes.

Current Israeli leading coalition:

Likud - centre right to right wing

Shas - Right wing (social policy, LW fiscal because religious)

Otzma Yehudit - Far right

United Torah Judaism - Right wing

Religious Zionist Party - Far right

Noam - Far right

They defeated a mostly centre/ rw coalition to get back into power

In fact:

“There’s no real left in Israel,” Sara Guggenheim, a 27-year-old content developer from Jerusalem, told VICE World News. “The most left-wing party in Israel would be considered a centre-right or right-wing party in Europe.”

https://www.vice.com/en/article/xgymww/israel-elections-right-wing-ben-gvir

Let's compare that to the USA (very difficult to get ethnic/ religious demographic or political data in Europe)

Approximately 1 in 5 US Jews are politically conservative:

https://www.aei.org/op-eds/yes-there-are-politically-conservative-jews-out-there/

This translates to about 1 in 4 Jews voting Republican:

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/05/11/u-s-jews-political-views/

This is a huge chasm, only larger gap Democrat to Republican is among Blacks, though the Liberal - Conservative gap is completely different among Blacks.

> Here is a (liberal, Western) Jew who criticises the Israeli government... Sorry. I recently decided I'm not Jewish

That was a quick turnaround, but activitypub and the internet itself is for better or worse, forever.

> BTW, what about the alt-righter who is willing to debate vs the alt-righter who wants to fight and kill his enemies? Does one hand wash the other or no?

Alt right is an interesting term. I assume you're talking about Earl who may correct me but I would place most closely with NatSoc. My politics are perhaps a little more difficult to define. Ultimately I don't have a lot of faith in politicians and politics by extension. Politicians are at best deeply flawed and at worst machiavellian. I try not to focus too much on political solutions partly because I can't pretend to know for sure that my way is the best way but also because I have no political power. I focus my time on the effective acceleration of technological progress.

Perhaps you think any kind of antisemitism automatically makes someone altright but I can certainly find you some leftist antisemites. How would you define alt right?

Hyolobrika 2y ago

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>No (and I'm specifically talking about the ethnic Europeans not wanting it).

It's a shame that there is barely any uninhabited land not owned by an existing state left on Earth. Otherwise, people like you of any ethnicity could start states based on your principles without bothering others.

Then again, it would be hard to do that for ethnonationalism because you would have to portion up the land between each ethnicity.

In fact, I've always wondered: what about mixed-race people? Where do they go?

>... Current Israeli leading coalition: ...

Well, that's not really relevant to me or my family AFAIK so (getting back to my original question) I guess the reason it bothers me when people online blame the Jews is because no one I know does the things they are blamed for.

Anti-semites usually don't distinguish between good and bad Jews in my experience and want to punish the whole race. You seem to be an exception.

Also, because they are very uncharitable in arguing with me and interpret innocuous things as unethical behaviour.

Which brings me to:

>That was a quick turnaround, but activitypub and the internet itself is for better or worse, forever.

Why does that sound like a threat?

I told you I'm confused. Don't be uncharitable please.

>How would you define alt right?

I would say ethnonationalists and "NatSocs" are alt-right. Your movement more generally. But I don't have a precise definition.

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H 2y ago

> It's a shame that there is barely any uninhabited land not owned by an existing state left on Earth. Otherwise, people like you of any ethnicity could start states based on your principles without bothering others.

Then again, it would be hard to do that for ethnonationalism because you would have to portion up the land between each ethnicity.

In fact, I've always wondered: what about mixed-race people? Where do they go?

There's more than one semi/ non recognised pseudo state in existence right now. Unfortunately when the time is appropriate, the US will bomb and occupy them so that they can be enriched. Up until 20 years ago Iceland was pretty close to being an ethnostate. Ultimately a semi segregated multi ethnic society is about the best anyone can probably hope for going forward but I can't predict the future.

> I guess the reason it bothers me when people online blame the Jews is because no one I know does the things they are blamed for.

Does it bother you when people blame the boomers for the current financial predicament? Whites for the modern and/ or historical problems of minorities both in the west and the Global South? Did you know there is a very popular conspiracy theory that "Anglos" secretly run the entire world? If so do you think that conspiracy includes all Anglos, even according to the conspiracy theorists?

> Why does that sound like a threat?

Surely you must know that anything you or I say will federate to instances that don't respect deletes, right?

> But I don't have a precise definition.

See, there's the problem, NatSoc and ethnonationalism existed long before this term, which was invented by Richard Spencer to describe his group, that no longer exists. It's also important to note that I'm not trying to distance myself from Earl when I say we're not politically aligned. I expect he would agree that me not being NatSoc or within or near the general sphere of fascism means we are not politically aligned. There is little reason to group us together under an umbrella term that is difficult to define.