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calle 2y ago

What does BlueWallet sunsetting LndHub mean for you?

* If you use BlueWallet for on-chain bitcoin: ✅ nothing

* If you use BlueWallet with other LndHub services (like LightningTipBot or LNbits or Alby): ✅ nothing

* If you use the Lightning account in BlueWallet hosted by them: ⚡️ Move your sats out.

How do you check if you're using their service?

* Open BlueWallet

* Click on one of your Lightning accounts (yellow background)

* Click the three dots on the top right

* See the "connected to" string

* If it starts with "lndhub.io" that's an account you should empty.

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BTC Piano Tuner 🎹⚡️⛏ 2y ago

How does one empty a wallet that requires a 1% reserve for every transaction?

signal_and_rage 2y ago

Trial and error

calle 2y ago

Multiple transactions.

BTC Piano Tuner 🎹⚡️⛏ 2y ago

So do you just sacrifice the last remaining sat? I’ve tried this with WoS and they won’t let me transfer the last sat. I’m not demanding an answer, I was just wondering if you had any ideas.

BTC Piano Tuner 🎹⚡️⛏ 2y ago

Or is that last, unmovable sat just the cost of doing business?

calle 2y ago

that last sat doesn't even exist bro

nothenry 2y ago

Bruh

Smaug 2y ago

I’ve tried emptying it completely too but I might be making a 4 sat donation to Blue Wallet at the end of April.

Smaug 2y ago

I was able to get the wallet to 1 sat. My donation to them is now 1 sat and I’m ok with that.

BTC Piano Tuner 🎹⚡️⛏ 2y ago

That’s kinda where I’m at for this sort of thing. “Thanks for the laughs. Here’s a sat for your troubles”

signal_and_rage 2y ago

I have 1 sat trapped in a wallet still.

🫡

balas 2y ago

it says "lndhub.herokuapp.com" on mine, so I'm assuming this too will be sunsetted right? have a link to read more?

Tyler Burns 2y ago

Yes, looks like that URL points to their same lightning node as well at: 02c3be1b43f90f089fddeff84014dca38fd0f6ab4224dbf6c18a5e36d55d7917cc

Tyler Burns 2y ago

If you browse the that URL in a browser, it will show you the lightning node URI on the right side.

fjone 2y ago

What does it mean if it says "https://lndhub.herokuapp.com" ?

Tyler Burns 2y ago

That's the same node that's being sunsetted. You'll have to move your funds as well.

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calle 2y ago

I suppose it's also them! Move sats out.

KaliYuga 2y ago

How come we have to be informed of that by you and not by them 😑

calle 2y ago

It's a public post:

https://bluewallet.io/sunsetting-lndhub/

MRCX 2y ago

#[2]

Copinmalin 2y ago

Info utile pour savoir quoi et comment faire avec vos sat sur bluewallet 👍

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MountainBitcoin 2y ago

Why should empty ?

alazne 2y ago

#[1]

npub1am8lycvljp52vmntfvcqcqxvzsyrjegk9a632m7z2dfwzvd8wazqv7vt9v 2y ago

I have some sats there and also in Alby, stacker news, ZBD... (Less than 200k in total) What's the best way to unify and send later to Phoenix? I want to get the longest channel possible and reduce the fees, as I don't have much sats and are a lot valuable for me...

Other options I'm listening too ( @walletofsatoshi don't provide me an apk and I can't install it, they ignore my messages... )

Thank you 🙏

calle 2y ago

Note: it may also say "https://lndhub.herokuapp.com/" instead of "lndhub.io" – this is also them afaik. Move out! ⚡️

Zach 2y ago

Thanks for sharing this! I would've had no idea otherwise and I do have one of those accounts.

Karl 2y ago

Oh... seems like I have to zap away the 4k Sats at my BlueWallet. #[1]

Humble Bitcoiner 2y ago

Zap them to the community brother ⚡️

Brüdigga 2y ago

You might want to zap them here on Nostr directly! 😉

ᒍEᔕᑭEᖇ 丰⚡₿ Jan/3➞₿🔑∎ 2y ago

I'll just suck all sats from everywhere. ⚡️

Golf4Leisure⚡️ 2y ago

This is probably more helpful. Geez! Rookie move. Sorry.

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hongumart 2y ago

🙏

Tico 🇨🇷 2y ago

Not sure if because of a bankrun, but I keep getting this :(

Tico 🇨🇷 2y ago

Nvm just came through smaller payments 💡

Cow Master 2y ago

Will Login using LN also stop working?

DarthCoin ₿⚡️ 2y ago

Exactly: the simplest way is to move the sats from lndhub.io account to LightningTipBot and if you still didn't import it into Bluewallet, you can do it anytime.

So you can still keep using Bluewallet app but not with lndhub.io account.

TeamBitcoin 2y ago

🤙🏻⚡️

IntuitiveGuy☯️ 2y ago

#[3]

Wenze 2y ago

Can I still use BlueWallet with custodial lightning?

calle 2y ago

Bluewallet is custodial lightning.

Al₿erto Troya 2y ago

Why should you empty it? Isn’t BlueWallet a custodial wallet that works with “watchtowers” so no one can spend your lightning balance? I’m probably wrong.

calle 2y ago

Yes, that's wrong.

Al₿erto Troya 2y ago

How do BlueWallet’s lightning wallets work then? You can also point me to the documentation where this is explained

calle 2y ago

Search for LndHub

Al₿erto Troya 2y ago

Have been looking into this. So, as I understand LNDhub is an open-source web application that allows to connect a user with an LND node.

When I create a lightning wallet in BlueWallet, I connect via LNDhub with their instance of the LND, their “lightning node”. That means that I will be using their channels, and in theory they could just mess with my funds.

However, as I understood, the reason they cannot mess with my funds is because when I create the lightning wallet, I also create a unique node macaroon and TLS certificate, apart from the set of private keys from the bitcoin wallet, which ensure that only me can access my funds.

Alternatively, one can have their own lightning node and connect to it via LNDhub, however this requires that you setup your channels, etc. So, I understand this is not for everyone. Also, using your own lightning node could be a case for privacy and security reasons (surveillance, maintaining the node…).

Is there any way I am still wrong? If so, can you describe where I may have misunderstood?

Al₿erto Troya 2y ago

Yes, ok, I think I finally got it. I am wrong in a couple of statements here.

Starting with macaroons, which are login passwords for the node.

BlueWallet keeps a history of your transactions, and allows you to send as many sats as you have according to your transaction history. But they could take your funds at any time, as the sats are in their lightning channels, which is linked to their bitcoin lightning node, and thus to their private keys.

It is a custodial wallet.

captjack 🏴‍☠️✨💜 2y ago

bluewallet u can use OWN node or any compatible node

IntuitiveGuy☯️ 2y ago

If you use Bluewallet you need to know this..

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mandalorianHODL 2y ago

thank you calle fortunately i dont use it at all but i might have friends who do

Dan Wedge 2y ago

This was what i was referring #[2]