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I could make a pretty good guess about the autism based on your displayed understanding of the experience of being autistic.

Had a few concussions myself, brain injuries are horrible to try to recover from. Good luck, no sarcasm at all.

Hey look, the autistic guy was first to try to reach out and connect over shared experiences. I thought we are bad at socializing? I already addressed cooperation and social connections. Who wins that one depends on how you define what is important to good social connections. Autistic people can find a shared interest, connect over it, and be working on a problem in that field at a speed that would make your head spin. Small talk is not the be all and end all of social human interaction.

You set the frame of amputees being somehow less than. If you want to rug that now your own entire argument collapses. I'm happy to start over and prove your new argument wrong also.

JackTheMimic 4mo ago 💬 2

No, I see you might have misunderstood what I meant by hindrance. Your life is more difficult than it otherwise would be if not absent that condition. Not having an arm doesn't make you less than, it makes your life more difficult. The same thing applies to neurodivergence by definition.

I am not talking about small talk, that is a strawman of much more complex social interations. And by definition if you are autistic you cannot see the distinction. It's like arguing with a tritanopia colorblind person about the distinction between green and blue. They would say the distinction is unimportant where as typical sight would beg to differ. People call an autistic friend an asshole a lot before he explains his autism. He over-accentuates his frustrations which to the typical seems, and is, rude. It's not that he isn't being abrasive it's that he doesn't have the capacity to not be.

Anyway, I am not looking to get into a flex off where arguments are made about who is more capable of doing arbitrary things, which is rude, by the way. I was pointing out that there is a logical basis for wanting to avoid deviating too far from the mean as a survival strategy.

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MAHDOOD 4mo ago

I dated a girl that was mildly autistic. Something was off and kinda weird about her but I couldn’t figure it out. She was difficult to read. She communicated very poorly. Yeah I know average people aren’t great at communicating, especially the ones with traumatic experiences, but she was especially difficult to understand. I told her once that she was difficult to read and as a result, difficult to connect with. She literally said yeah maybe that because I’m partially autistic. Thought she was joking then noticed she had a book about understanding her autism in her bedroom. She was a therapist too by the way. She would tell me about some of her clients and how frustrated she was with some of them. So I’m sitting there thinking these complaints aren’t that bad and wondering if she actually had the capacity to be a therapist. She lacked the social awareness/skills. Idk if you ever felt that way but it is at least a mild hindrance in your social life. It’s even more problematic for men imo because women rely so much social cues and feeling safe.

Bill Cypher 4mo ago 💬 1

Is it more difficult? Maybe in one or two contrived cases you set up. On balance across my entire life? I honestly doubt it.

I AM autistic and I CAN see the difference. This is a common neurotypical misunderstanding about autistic people. The issue is that given the autistic brains frame of reference your social rules are irrational, autistic people generally have no respect for irrational rules. There are different social rules that are natural to autistics. From our perspective neurotypicals are rude as fuck and difficult to work with. So who gets to decide which frame of reference should be the one that sets THE rules about manners? I could just as easily say that I have decided all neurotypicals are socially deficient because they can't properly engage with autistic social structures.

I'll point again to all the things built by all the autistic engineers around the world. For example, the entire global telecom system is a constantly growing body proof that autistic social norms enable cooperation that builds amazing things and drives society forward.

JackTheMimic 4mo ago 💬 1

You could say that autistic social rules should be the norm, just as I could say everyone is dumb except me. The problems come when more than one person outside of your frame of reference offers the counter evidence.

MAHDOOD 4mo ago

If being autistic created absolutely no problems for the individual, then people wouldn’t notice any difference and the individual wouldn’t even realize he was autistic. But when someone becomes aware of their autism, it’s because it has led to some kind of problem in some aspect of their life.

Bill Cypher 4mo ago

I planted my flag with the global telecom network. What is the global monument to neurotypical cooperation?

Finalized product tells the tale more than assumptions from your own perspective.

Whatever you say, it doesn't the mean neurotypical way is better. Only that they are both capable of great things despite working different.

I don't need to beat your example. My single example of global cooperation by millions of individuals invalidates your argument that the autistic way of connecting doesn't work to be more than individuals through cooperation.