Hot take. Many here will disagree with me on this, but this is nostr and damn it, I get to say whatever I want to say.

My sympathies have always been with Palestine over Israel, not because they are the underdog, but because they are the aggrieved party. The United Nations agreed as to how to settle this long ago and Israel is the one violating that agreement. Israel inflicts huge amounts of suffering on them, and suffers tiny amounts in comparison. They "settle" (flat out steal) their land, cut their land into pieces so that they cannot travel, bulldoze their houses, and block them from International trade. It is illegal for Israelis to travel to Palestine, lest they see the horror and develop sympathies for them.

Israel must withdraw from all of Palestine to the 1967 lines, and then there will be peace. That is already a huge compromise from the 1947 lines, which was itself a huge compromise from Palestine originally being 100% of the region. There is no reason to expect them to continue to give more to Israel over and over and over again. It has to stop, and 1967 is where it stops according to the UN, the PLO, and other international bodies.

Bad arguments for the ethnic cleansing and land stealing from Palestineans:

* We used to live here four thousand years ago

* God gave us this land

* We have a bigger economy

* Hitler killed a bunch of us in Germany

* They teach their kids to hate Jews (I believe in freedom of thought, freedom to hate, freedom to love)

* They present a security risk, so we have to kill them first

* Palestine started the violence again this time, not Israel (to think they shouldn't fight to reclaim their land from Israel because there have been ceasefires is status quo bias)

Those are all morally vacant arguments, and give zero consideration to what is just and right.

I never understood why people in the American right-wing are on Israel's side. They make the above arguments and I just cringe.

What makes you believe there will be peace if there is a withdrawal?

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Which story seems more believable? (1) Palestineans hate Jews and will always attack Jews even if Jews are nice to them, or (2) Jews were mean to Palestineans and they have built up a lot of hatred becase of it?

(2) is far more likely to be true.

That doesn't mean the ethnic hatred built up will settle down all at once. It will take a generation or two.

It‘s an unsolvable conflict. Neither party can back down.

Maybe.

Israel never even tried for peace though. It still hasn't tried it. It demands peace under conditions where it continues to occupy, murder, barracade, bulldoze, and fill wells with concrete. That's not peace. Why doesn't Israel try for peace? They don't actually want peace, they want to win. They want the entire territory, but they are afraid of international reprocussions if they just genocide the remaining Palestineans so they are letting it happen slowly. But evil, flat out evil it is. Palestineans have little choice here. They can't just live like that.

Also, Hezbollah, Iran, Russia even could come in and make a full scale war that forces Israel to honor the U.N. resolutions. But that is not likely to happen either.

Unfortunately the most likely outcome is the most unjust one... Israel will use this as an excuse to prune the Palestinean population further, 1000 for every 1. Until they are eventually gone.

it’s all so deranged and fucked up. 😣😖🤕

"Israel never even tried for peace though."

Man you're a fucking clown or you have alterior motives.

I am going to make a video where I explain my view on this better. What I wrote in this note is very unsupported by the note, so I want to support it. And it's not very well contextualized. And I'm not making all the right consessions. So a video is in order.

Israel has tried for peace over and over in a fake couldn't-possibly-work kind of way. And I need to explain that better.

i hope you're not planning to upload that video to JewTube because it won't last a day there LOL

Robert Greene ( my favorite author ) teaches this strategy in his books - he calls it "Negotiate While Advancing"

when he was talking about it i instantly thought about Israel.

In Israel's case its " negotiate while illegally building settlements in an area you're militarily occupying " which is something forbidden by the United Nations

if i recall correctly Israel broke more UN resolutions than any other country on the planet, but US has veto power and we always cover for Israel.

the Jewish media teaches us that Israel is our greatest ally because they vote with us at the UN more often than anybody else ... well, sort of ... except it's rally US that votes with Israel, or rather Vetoes whatever Israel doesn't like ...