I think I now understand people who long for communism.

We are social creatures currently living in a world that denies that. It seems that some people who long for communism are simply longing for community support, and that is natural and appropriate.

The problem isn’t with wanting community support, the problem is with the hierarchical authoritarianism that comes with large scale communism in practice.

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Capitalism is eventually the best form of communism. It prices labor out of the market until everything is automated and can be created for almost free. The issue is...are we responsible enough to have that power or will we horde it to a few owners?

No, capitalism and communism are fundamentally different.

This isn't about automation, it's about community.

Technology creates community. Always has. Agriculture, tools, science. Politics is downstream from culture but what people fail to add is that culture is downstream from technology. We build things and then create a story around then in order to integrate them and pretend that culture created them. This is why so many people's last names stem from old work occupations. Society is only interested in you as far as your are useful to it. Technology is extremely useful and a good technology will force society to lie to itself and change just to adopt it. Automation will do the same thing. You'll see people who were anti communism go full entitlement as soon as there is no need for their labor anymore.

Communism really isn't about community though. Communal community isn't. It's about the abolition of private property above anything else.

The reason it never gets past the totalitarian shithole phase is because after some humans hoarded all the power and disempowered everyone else, guess what, they don't want to let go of it.

Communism always leads to violence, unless it's small scale and voluntary opt-in. Think about it, how are the commies gonna abolish private property? By expropriating everyone's stuff.

Do people generally want to lose all their possessions and accumulated capital? No they don't, and for very good reasons.

So they must be forced to do so, and predictably violence follows.

It is no surprise then that Communism tops the charts for genocide and mass-murder by a very large margin.

I'm not arguing for communism, I am understanding why some may be drawn to it.

We have a real lack of community and community support in the modern world. This puts a hole is people's lives and I understand why they would want a different, more supporting structure to the world.

I understand.

I am saying that the ideology that ends up killing millions of people every time is probably not the way to get there.

Agreed.

The ones I dealt with were lazy couch potatoes wanted to go to supermarket and pick items for free. They would give up their EVERYTHING for that. Government will find them a job and they would gladly do it. They, government elected officials, know how to well distribute resources. Who elects? EVERYONE.

Yeah, no, thanks. Absurdity.

Mostly smoking weed while on the couch. Doesn't mean everyone who smokes is a communist, but it contributes to their laziness I think.

My experiences were different. I grew up around a lot of socialist minded people in New York. This is from mid 80s to early 00s.

They were hardworking and always some part of doing community services.

But then again socialists are not communists

Yes some people are simply hateful/lazy and want an excuse to take other people's stuff. But that I generally find easy to spot. For me it was always the very kind and thoughtful people who I know who wanted communism that confused me.

And now I get it, what they want is community, and that I very much understand.

Naaaaah.

They just don't want to work, be responsible, or feel envy for people who do better than them (which is stupid in any scenario, but commies are not known for being particularly bright).

They still want the things work and effort bring though. Leveling up? Nah. Upgrading their mindset? Nope. Working smarter? Hell no.

Complain envy and crab mentality? ding ding ding

No. These are people that I know well. They are good people.

there certainly are people like you describe! but that's not who I'm thinking of here.