Jeff, I watched the entire interview and either Matt & Oliver are not capable of understanding the global macro concept & that BTC is the only final solution or they are just disingenuous & protected the livelihood both of their professions. With FTX, Celsius, Voyager so recent, they simply argue that somehow these greed driven, centralized token projects will eventually “do it right”. Like the nobody has done communism right. They are simply not able to get the bigger picture.