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Maybe I have misunderstood the scriptures about the salvation experience. I see it as an act of faith in a sacrifice made on my behalf. I see this as a “trust” act. Have I got that wrong? (Serious question).
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R.S. Christopher 3mo ago 💬 1

Yes, and unfortunately that kind of “cheap grace” version of Christianity became common in the last century, and has turned away a lot of honest truth seekers, especially young men. It was certainly promoted though, but so was Keynesian economics and a gender spectrum.

I think the new atheist critiques were apt to reject such silly versions of Christianity, the problem of course is that’s not historic Christianity but a modern secular version.

The deeper issue is that secularism is producing nothing but chaos and nihilism, and its core presuppositions are incompatible with Christianity. And of course our entire civilization and morality (such as universal human rights) is built on Christian presuppositions (this points back to Nietzsche’s famous death of God criticism, accurately predicting the atrocities of the 20th century)

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GJM 3mo ago 💬 1

Interesting comments but I don’t think they are related to my initial post. I made a comparison between “verify don’t trust” and “trust can’t verify.” I appreciate that there is a wide and varied landscape of Christian theological development and evolution that has created a variety of Christian expression. There will be champions of many different theological systems all wanting to voice their particular views. I am wanting to focus in on the lack of independent verification a Christian has with respect to their “heavenly treasure” vs the Christian bitcoiners ability to independently verify their “earthly treasure.” As far as I can tell there is no verification mechanism available to a Christian re the rewards of exercising their faith. In that sense it is a “trust me bro” situation. I would be grateful if you could show me what I am not seeing here. 😀

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R.S. Christopher 3mo ago

Well, the answer is far deeper, think depth rather than the breadth you are describing.

You’re presuming you have access to truth, and that’s because you are coming from a culture that arose from a Christian ethos.

That culture is however being “deconstructed” before your eyes, and if you ask a philosopher at any university today, they’ll explain that there is no objective truth, you can’t really know anything, what is truth? Some might say “my truth” as if it’s relative. But they also can’t answer what a woman is… But if instead you have “faith” that there is objective truth (the truth), dive deep into that and see where it takes you.

What you were originally asking is verification for salvation, which is not a math problem, it’s a relationship with Christ. It’s like asking for verification that you truly love your wife. It’s not math, but it can be verified by anyone taking the time to learn about the relationship and carefully discern the fruits of that relationship.

The “trust me bro” version of salvation is wrong, not biblical, and the truth is a much deeper (and rewarding) question that is very much worth pursuing.