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I apologize for my language and tone. If you want to have a discussion I can remain civil.

Neither of us can speak for women. The difference between my position and yours is I leave it up to them to decide while you have decided for them.

Believing that women's most important role in society is to have babies is antiquated and a symptom of a system where men hold all the power. Women in a homemaking role give up their autonomy and become reliant on the man, which opens them up to abuse. Some men are attracted to this dynamic because it gives them more leeway to take advantage of the power imbalance. This is not always the case. Sometimes this dynamic can work out great for both parties. I'm just saying it's ripe for abuse.

Society has evolved. Family is whatever a person wants it to be. To say that the nuclear family is the best and most important for society as if you are some moral authority is arrogance. Having children is not a great accomplishment, most people on the planet are capable of doing that. Likewise having children does not suddenly grant you some great wisdom and authority on the subject. I know this is going to be insulting and I'm sorry, but if your greatest accomplishment is that you creampied in a woman then I think you need to reevaluate your life.

The power dynamic between the sexes is changing. With 8 billion people on the planet procreation is not seen as such a vital thing to contribute to humanity. If women don't feel they have to have babies to contribute that gives them options for how they want to live their life, which gives them more power and men that want them to remain subservient don't like that.

The biggest messaging difference here is one is speaking from an ethnocentric viewpoint and one is a worldcentric viewpoint. Both are valid. One includes more women. Signed, a woman.

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Sorry. Just trying to understand. Which view is more ethnocentric, what makes it centered around ethnicity, and what makes one view include more women than the other?

Ethnocentric would be more community, tribe, or group centric (not necessarily only ethnicity). Not a bad thing. Necessary for human continuation. The worldcentric view includes more women because some women aren't able to have children or don't want children because their own childhoods were so traumatic or they were raped 15 times as a teenager and hate men or etc. You're speaking from your own experience, which while valid, is limited because you're a man with a family you've created. Beautiful, but only about 50% of all humans experience. So please take that into consideration. Your wife's experience is not all women's experience. Not all men are as good and standup as you. Thanks for being a good one.

Thank you. And I partially agree but it used to be far more than 50% and I think it still is now but has declined with the feminist movement and since then overall happiness has seen the same decline. I believe they are correlated.

There are always exceptions as you point out but there is also just human nature. We're biologically engrained to make babies. That doesn't mean that's the best and only path to happiness.

Absolutely. Debase the currency, debase the foundation of society, debase the nuclear family. This is why we both bitcoin, I imagine.

Yes exactly. Fix the money...

I love how it can always end with "fix the money".

Let's forever circle back to why we're really here

I like.

Also since men are only 50% thats why I said that experience can only be 50% Max.

Oh yes, I was thinking in terms of 50% of women but I see what you are saying

Well, if you're going to the human nature point, then men are biologically engrained to spread their seeds far and wide, which counters to your belief in a satellite family.

Cant overlook this lol hereforth im gonna give all the dicks a pass bc its a genetic imperative to be one Jk

Well, not just men. It's a human thing, but it's an unpopular opinion and not the point I'm trying to make here.

Not in human being or other mammals. It's more beneficial for humans to be in monogamous relationships. This is true for a lot of the animal kingdom. We must care for young, they can't take care of them selves and societally we produce more productive humans in 2 parent homes.

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Also, thank you for applauding my commitment to my family but I do want to add we should be fostering a culture that holds all men accountable for children they create and the women they create them with. The level of single parent homes is astonishing and the primary reason for societal collapse to the point we're currently at.

Absolutely. When engaging strangers on the internet, I always look for the good bc otherwise im likely to dismiss their humanity and make them feel not worthy of breathing which in turn creates friction in our interactions.