No bitcoin on ramps and off ramps for me so I have to earn and spend fiat that others pay with and accept quite happily.

There’s a well defined fixed value given to the paper money. We’re doomed for a long time, maybe it stays this way.

Bitcoin will find its value in terms of labor and goods when a good percentage (15% ?) of people start pricing their time in sats.

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I agree.. we’re a long way away from fiat money being actually gone.