The original purpose of Bitcoin was simple: peer-to-peer transactions and separation of money from the state. Sixteen years in, the Bitcoiners who believed in that purpose the most either joined early or stacked hard under that narrative.

These are now the biggest capital allocators in the ecosystem—and they remain committed to a Bitcoin-only future. Their top priority isn’t tokenization or bridging to legacy systems. It’s growing peer-to-peer infrastructure, the medium of exchange use case, and keeping Bitcoin on Bitcoin rails.

You can see this clearly on platforms like NOSTR, where the most evangelical Bitcoin users are building and coordinating. Jack's top post yesterday? P2P growth. Not stablecoins. Not tokenization.

Trying to push Bitcoin Maxis outside a Bitcoin-only ecosystem misses the point entirely. They joined because they wanted to get off traditional rails. They already spend with Bitcoin-only companies. They already get loans in USD or Tether from Strike, LEDN, or Unchained. They even built their own open-source comms infrastructure.

Stablecoins are fine. Banks will adopt them. And yes, Washington's Bitcoin bills are increasingly tied to stablecoin growth. But let’s be honest: Bitcoiners don’t need them. They’ve opted out—and trying to market those products to them is like selling pork at a vegan festival.

If you're working on tokenization or stablecoin products, more power to you—but pitch them to a different customer base. Because Bitcoiners, the people sitting on the most capital, are building their own future—and it’s Bitcoin-only by design.

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We are gonna win.

I am consistently dumbfounded at people not interested enough to try one P2P Bitcoin transaction. They spend so much more time on these narratives than just validating one of their key assumptions that takes 20 seconds.

Cashu is going to blow people's minds

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I tried 15 years ago. Does that count? I used it often from 2013 to 2017 when adoption kicked in. Then it started to suck both from a KYC regulatory perspective and fees. Since then I moved on to Monero and couldn't be more happy.

I do some LN transactions from time to time but I prefer Monero.

Set up your lightning wallet here

These StableCoin products are being built for the legacy world.

It's kind of ironic to think that they are the future when Bitcoiners, the future capital allocators have no need for them.

Different target audience...a weaker one

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Hear! Hear! Even if greed is your driver, the expected value (risk/reward) of #Bitcoin is so much higher than anything else, why even tinker with anything else?

Every asset network has insiders who trade in the asset ( not currency ) .. gold miners and goldsmiths always trade in gold .. corn manufacturers do the same in corn .. network is the asset !

But this doesn't make corn currency !

No one is buying a coffee with bitcoin unless the coffee machine and coffee shop and customers both are bitcoin insiders ! And that circular economy can't be 10 billion people .. because people have better things to do than worry about currency vs asset debate ..

Hi soak quest 🤟😉🏴‍☠️ nice to meet you 🤝 Absolutely. The Bitcoin ethos was never about integrating into the legacy financial system, it’s about creating a parallel, decentralized system that operates outside traditional structures. The true Bitcoiners are focused on preserving the integrity of that vision, prioritizing peer-to-peer infrastructure and reinforcing Bitcoin’s role as a medium of exchange. Trying to push stablecoins or tokenization into this space dilutes the core message of financial sovereignty. As Bitcoiners, we’re building something new no need to borrow from the old system when we have the tools to create something better

True that. But it's not the full picture.

Monero is now as important to Bitcoin OGs as Bitcoin itself.

Monero is a privacy token. It's not a store of value in any sense.

It's a PRIVATE store of value for me. I do not care if you believe storing your wealth publicly is the better choice for you. It very well maybe.

I am a Bitcoiner for 15 years and I very well do understand why the offshore banking market has four times gold's marketcap despite being based on an inflating shitcoin. At some point privacy, secrecy and anonymity are worth multifold the little gains BTC may (or may not) provide over gold or Monero.

Now Monero offers better conditions

than gold and also is beter than any offshore banking account.

You must be crazy to not at least store some value in it.

Consider that your family might want to thank you later for not exposing them to a weird hostage situaton against clans

or the state mafia. Full transparency in an AI dominated world has a cost. I hope you'll learn that without feeling the pain first.

Monero first broke $100 a token in 2016 and was roughly ₿0.1. 9 years later and the value is $200 and it's worth ₿0.0026.

Losing 97.4% of its Bitcoin value over 9 years.

Also since the dollar loses about 50% of it's value in 10 years, effectively Monero just avoids dollar debasement but doesn't meaningfully grow in any way.

For every $1000 you've held in Monero from 2016 that grew to $2000, you've lost 97.4% of the potential growth or about $75,000. Is losing $75,000 of growth worth the privacy gains of more effectively hiding your $1000? At that point you're robbing yourself friend.

Bitcoin grows 110% a year if you only track bottoms and adjust for major macro events that drop the trend line. With the value more than doubling every year I can easily and regularly split the value into multiple wallets which I might expect to lose access to by chance and perhaps regain access to in the future. Perceived greater privacy is not worth the loss of the greater benefit of exponentially growing savings which can be gifted to others and moved around into various wallets easily.

Bitcoin is the only coin worth holding.

Thanks for bringing some perspective to the e tablre I have been missing to mention.

Monero now is close to 100% self-custofial which will pay off when we enter the fractional reserved Bitcoin era.

Monero has seen extreme price suppression for years. Do some research.

It has seen a great loss of liquidity since almost all exchanges delisted it.

All that and it still outperforms the #1 store of value - for the majority of people - USD.

Besides that you can own both Bitcoin and Monero or even trade favourably. Now is the time to exit Bitcoin and go into Monero back in 2018 it was the other way round. Trade the huge market cycles like the smart man you suggest to be.

Privacy through encryption is the only thing that protects you from AI surveillance.

Monero's monetary policy doesn't drive value growth of the underlying token like Bitcoin does.

The equation for value:

Time Value * Energy Value = Total Value

The more time and energy something costs to create, the more value it contains.

Bitcoin's issuance policy simply doubles the time required to create a Bitcoin every 4 years, the market typically doesn't value twice as much overnight however. Often the energy drops a bit to compensate before it recovers (we see this with hashrate changes around the halvings). This doubling of the time value with virtually unchanged energy value doubles the outputs total value. This is a principle driver that drives Bitcoin higher over time, and attracts greater relative investment than anything else on earth over time.

Monero's monetary policy dictates a flat permanent tail emission of 0.3 Monero a minute. It's never revalued against time, and doesn't attract the same level of interest or investment as a result. Monero will never replace Bitcoin. The economics make it impossible.

The only way to win is to not play their game.

Fiat is corrupt, filled with fraud and fuels wars that kill hundreds of millions. It's a system where it's be hurt and/or be hurt by others. It's modern slavery.

Bitcoin is the only option if you don't want your success to come at the expense of others. It's the only option if you disagree with the current system entirely.

Bitcoin or slavery of almost everyone in the world.

*it's hurt (others) and/or be hurt by others.

Well said. Bitcoiners who truly believe in the mission are focused on strengthening P2P systems, not finding ways to bridge back to the old world. Nostr is proof of that, real builders are here, pushing forward a Bitcoin-only future. No need to chase legacy approval when we can just build better alternatives.

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