I find it funny that we've had public chats for nearly 3 years and they're mostly dead, but ephemeral chats are all the rage right now. Why is that?
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I think this initially hype will pass for it too
Perhaps.
yeah ephemeral chats are fleeting (by definition). even coolr.chat went dead after awhile. kind1 notes are sticky and async
non-ephemeral but expiring geohash notes would be cool.
async is a key. Not everyone enjoy live chats.
From my experience people mostly like async.
(might be more preferred in europe then us tho)
๐ฏ Goes in cycles, no tools is a wasted tool in the end
The *live* aspect of the chats is interesting. Chats that popup when something is happening. Could be interesting for events, News, Nostr drama, etc. I'm having fun with it on Amethyst already, and the new version isn't even in wide release yet.
Bringing them into the foreground was a great move here by nostr:nprofile1qqsyvrp9u6p0mfur9dfdru3d853tx9mdjuhkphxuxgfwmryja7zsvhqpz9mhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejj7qgswaehxw309ahx7um5wghx6mmd9uq3wamnwvaz7tmkd96x7u3wdehhxarjxyhxxmmd9ukfdvuv.
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Yes I couldn't agree more, the implementation in Amethyst makes a huge difference for the longevity of it, specially in the scenarios you've mentioned! Kinda feels like the chats rooms but โ๏ธ๓ ต๓ ๓ ๓ ๓ ๓ ๓ ข๓ ๓
I think because it was promoted outside Nostr to the normies as well.
There. You got a serious answer from me.
Medium.
Wtf are public chats?
NIP-28. Amethyst had them built in and then there's also nostrchat.io and nostrchat.com and I believe Coracle used to have this built in, but no one used it so it was removed.
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Oh. I don't recall seeing this one. Thanks.
In Amethyst you have the "Chats" tab and the "Communities" tab.
0xChat does another type of public chat that Amethyst doesn't.
Oh shit finally found it!! Nice!
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It's new. People love new.
This is the correct answer I believe.
Just like follow packs. We had them over two years ago and no one used them. That is until they were redesigned slightly and marketed differently.
It does seem genuinely novel as an idea, both the Bluetooth aspect and the geohash rooms. It's easy to communicate it to your mate.
It also doesn't suffer from one community totally hogging, as is arguably the case for nostr, being a bitcointwitter offshoot.
It's implementation in Amethyst is interesting.
Don't have this version yet. Will have to wait and see:)
Compare how you would describe bitchat with how you would describe nostr (microblogging clients).
Amethyst is.... Like twitter but decentalised etc etc
It many ways it's not really got the same novelty / shareable aspect / hook.
)Plus you get here and it's just people aperging about the price of bitcoin. Lol)
Bitch@ us like IRC. It's familiar. At least to old dudes like me that grew up on IRC in the 90s. Maybe Zoomers will like it because it's retro or new to them.
'old internet' has an appeal to both young and old.
Not that anyone listens to me, but bitchat forum (styles as message boards of old) fork would potentially be very popular too. Imo imo imo
Also what is like irc now.
Nostr-as-microblogging is like farcaster, is like twitter, is like Bluesky is like etc etc etc. not much novelty aspect to that, not a very 'shareable down the pub' conversation point here
Bitchat (afaik) has no marketing beyond jack's tweets (you could pretty much say the same for nostrmicroblogs). But it is probably getting a lot word of mouth promotion.
Itโs shiny and the experience is different.
The same happens with Wikis
Bichat does mesh. If Meshtastic integrates it, we would have a worldwide chat app that didn't relay on the internet.
The Bluetooth aspect to it is curious and is quite shareable as this curious thing. So it's reaged a wider audience (ie outside the bitcointwitter bubble).
It's also not totally swamped with bitcointwitter chat, slogans and 'memes'.
Let's say bitchat was just the 21m room, it wouldnt be being shared, at all.
If it becomes bitcoin chatrooms everywhere it'll be dead very quickly.
Luckily the format of geohashes dilutes the intensity of this sort of content out.
I prefer truly ephemeral chats in most cases. Even on SimpleX and Signalโunless I'm talking to family or clientsโI have notes set to disappear in 24 hours and screenshotting disabled for many (not perfect, but it's better).
I feel like people can talk more freely, just like in real conversation, when they know that everything won't be easily copied, recorded, and hanging out on someone else's server somewhere.
We like the feeling of security generated by ephemeral chats.
We also like the danger of public chats. ๐