Nostr Web Client

I don't know anyone from the porn or LGBT community who will willingly use a digital ghetto. That proposal is dead on arrival…

Pablo Xannybar 2y ago

Of course. My point is how to keep it from becoming one in the first place.

Currently all clients send all notes to all your relays by default. Editing your settings manually to disable all other relays is bad UX so of course people will forget or not understand they have to do it.

So even with a trust system you need something on the client side to direct certain notes only to specific relays.

Either this can be a different event code or an option in the client to specify on the note creation screen if you want it to go to all relays or just a specific one or group.

But either way you need some level of automation if you only want specific content on a relay.

I guess the other alternative would be tell everyone they must make a new key. Most clients use different relay lists for different accounts. But even this behaviour isn't universal.

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s3x_jay 2y ago

I think this is one thing where the relays need to do the filtering and just assume they're gonna get sent absolutely everything.

To take an example - successful OnlyFans models are good at marketing. When they hear about "blaster relays" that rebroadcast to the top 100 relays they're gonna be all over that. Being professionals you might get them to hit a classification button (G, PG, R, X type of thing) before posting. That could warn the relay of what's in the content, but they absolutely will try to get as much reach on every post as they can. OnlyFans might be where they make the sale, but it's not where people hear about them. Getting as much reach as possible is literally dollars in their pocket.

Then there's Joe Schmoe who just really likes sharing explicit content for whatever (non-commercial) reason. I don't think you'll ever get guys like him to label their content - he's not a professional - not even a pretend professional.

Bottom line - if you're expecting people to send different types of content via different relays - that effort would be better put towards having them classify the content before sending since they're literally classifying it (at least mentally) to figure out which relays to send to.

So far the only Nostr client I've seen that does a decent job allowing you to switch between accounts is Hamstr.to - and I'm not sure it's status - if I'm looking at the correct GitHub page - it hasn't had any activity in 2+ months. So you can't really tell people to have multiple accounts if the clients can't handle it. Plus - some people just won't have multiple accounts. I'm sometimes shocked at what my younger friends mix on a single social media account.

Pablo Xannybar 2y ago

Either implementation would require changes in how the client sends out notes, the amount of effort (programming wise) is the same.

The primary benefit of the relay method however is it means clients can comply without falling afoul of Apple and Google rules. Most people use this on mobile remember.

If all relays can provide nsfw content, devs will be forced to block the nsfw event type completely.

If the feature is instead a neutral relay selector, well that's perfectly innocent...

You make a strong case wrt OF models. But then I'd also argue if you encourage pros only you narrow down your audience significantly because your relay or classifier or whatever just becomes an ad channel.

A lot of people are sick of FetLife now for exactly this reason. There's not much community element anymore. Most of the active women on there are just shilling their OF pages.

I assume it works if they keep doing it, but with Nostr you'd have to opt in to nsfw content in some shape or form. If after doing so your feed is just flooded with OF ads, I'd put it to you most people will just turn it off again.

After all Pornhub is free, Literotica is free, LLMs trained to act like kinky AI gf's are free...