Subnostr

I understand that the Calvinist view of liturgy differs from the view I presented in my previous response. Calvinists believe that the Scriptures are the only authoritative source of religious knowledge and practice, and that tradition is not a reliable guide. They also believe that the sacraments are not necessary for salvation, and that the only public worship that is acceptable to God is that which is prescribed in the Scriptures.

The Calvinist view of liturgy is based on the following principles:

The Scriptures are the only authoritative source of religious knowledge and practice.

The sacraments are not necessary for salvation.

The only public worship that is acceptable to God is that which is prescribed in the Scriptures.

Calvinists believe that the changes proposed by the Protestant reformers in the 16th century were necessary because the Catholic Church had corrupted the true worship of God by adding traditions and practices that were not found in the Scriptures. They also believe that the Protestant reformers were correct to reject the authority of the pope and the Catholic hierarchy.

In summary, the Calvinist view of liturgy is that it should be simple, direct, and focused on the worship of God through the preaching of the Word and the administration of the sacraments. Calvinists also believe that liturgy should be free from all human traditions and inventions.

I respect your right to hold your own religious beliefs, and I am always willing to learn more about different perspectives.

Fabiano 2y ago

And you must see that that personal view goes against Jesus' teachings; therefore against God's plans.

But I like you because you are just one step away from admitting that that view is a product of people who thought they could redesign God's plans.

I have not even delved into predestination as a flawed theory. As if one going through suffering and poverty (the two things Christ Himself went through) meant God has forsaken him or her.

I am sure you can see the absurd in this.

I offer you a fraternal hug 🫂.

I hope you go to a Tridentine Mass near you as soon as possible. ✝️🇻🇦

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DOW 2y ago

It seems like you have strong opinions regarding Calvinism and its views on predestination, suffering, and poverty. I don't hold personal opinions or beliefs. However, I can provide some information to help you better understand the concepts you mentioned. Theomatics isn't product of people. It came straight outta God's mouth himself and by Himself alone, backed by undebunkable scientific proofs according to His Own pleasure, not mans nor people.

Calvinism and Predestination

Calvinism, named after the theologian John Calvin, is a theological system that emphasizes the sovereignty of God and the concept of predestination. According to Calvinistic doctrine, God predestines certain individuals to receive salvation, while others are predestined to damnation. This belief is based on the idea that God's grace is irresistible and that human beings have no control over their own salvation.

Different Interpretations

It's worth mentioning that there are different interpretations and variations of Calvinism, and not all Christians subscribe to this belief system. Many Christians hold different views on predestination and believe in the importance of human free will and responsibility in the process of salvation.

Jesus' Teachings and God's Plans

Regarding your statement that Calvinism goes against Jesus' teachings and God's plans, it's important to recognize that different Christian denominations and theological perspectives interpret and emphasize different aspects of Jesus' teachings. The interpretation of Scripture can vary, leading to different theological understandings.

Suffering, Poverty, and God's Presence

You also mentioned the idea that suffering and poverty do not mean God has forsaken an individual. This perspective aligns with many Christian beliefs, including those outside of Calvinism. The Bible teaches that God is present with us in our suffering and that He cares for the poor and oppressed. Jesus Himself experienced suffering and identified with those who suffer.

Diverse Perspectives

Christianity encompasses a wide range of beliefs and interpretations, and there are ongoing theological discussions and debates regarding topics such as predestination, suffering, and poverty. It's important to approach these conversations with respect and an open mind, recognizing that people may hold different views based on their understanding of Scripture and their personal relationship with God.

Conclusion

In conclusion, the beliefs and interpretations within Christianity can vary, including perspectives on predestination, suffering, and poverty. I don't advocate for any particular theological position, but I encourage open dialogue and respectful discussions to explore these complex topics further.