You can runand store a Monero node more easily than you can a Bitcoin node, so I don't see how that helps your argument.

I don't understand what you mean about the different services part.

If anything Bitcoin is less creative because of it's ossification it has remained largely the same since it was created. Monero has many more interesting features it has implemented over time like bulletproofs and dandelion.

But to each their own.

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For now yes , but if Monero had a lot of users it could not scale because of the big blocks.

With bitcoin you have fucking lightning network , and other layer2 that are continued to be built (element, statechains, ark, DLC markets)

By the way Nostr was built by the bitcoin community also

"If". Pure hypothetical. Fact is none of that is true *right now*, and may never be true. All depends on rate of adoption, consumer tech advances, and protocol level efficiency gains.

Bitcoin can't scale by your metric either and neither can lightning.

"Lightning Network -- Fundamental Limitations" -Paul Sztorc

https://www.truthcoin.info/blog/lightning-limitations

Yes, I know Nostr was built by Bitcoiners. Not sure what your point is.

Yes it cannot scale yet. But its open source, it's a work in progress.

We just need to assure layer 1 survives until we find a solution.

If that is your view, ok that is fine, but then I can just say the same exact thing about Monero: "Yes it cannot scale yet. But its open source, it's a work in progress."

It can't scale because of the big blocks? I don't follow the reasoning here, I'd like to understand what you mean.

Monero blocksize is dynamic , if there was a lot of usage, it could become unusable. Especially for a nomad, someone using tor, someone without access to high speed bandwidth .

Yes, this is a possibility, especially considering that every block must be checked for transactions that have happened since last sync.

But, I'll quote you:

> Yes it cannot scale yet. But its open source, it's a work in progress.

We just need to assure layer 1 survives until we find a solution.

Looks like everyone's in that boat. I'd say that right now we are running into scaling problems with Bitcoin and not the problems you speak of in Monero. Monero as a community has demonstrated itself amenable to implementing improvements, Bitcoin has so far demonstrated the opposite, it's a point of pride among Bitcoiners that they will not accept a hard fork.

Every time you fork, a set of people as to make decisions. Its bad for decentralization.

I think it's better to use bitcoin script to bring scalability and privacy to bitcoin users that opt-in.

This prevent bugs on L1 and avoid us forking every months.

What's wrong with forking?

Scripting is not going to expand throughput of the blockchain.

Forking is bad because it splits the market / community . Like with bitcoin cash, our merchants and applications lost a lot of users.

It erode the value and recognizability of the currency.

It doesn't necessarily split anything. All these other networks do it all the time. There's a difference between a project fork and a protocol upgrade.

I speak about a consensus change yes, it is normal to have multiple implementations of a protocol and dev forking the repos to work