The red pill crowd seems to think that the ideal relationship is where sexual market place value is a 1:1 match.

In their worldview this means a successful 38 year old man marrying a hot and chaste 23 year old woman.

Contrast this to the traditional Christian marriage, where both parties enter young.

The man gets to enjoy the youthful beauty of his wife and the wife gets to build with and capitalize on the future success of the husband.

They grow together over the years each having a turn at being the more “valuable” partner. All of the value being captured within the marriage. Instead of spent outside the marriage.

Then tell me which do you think is more “ideal”…

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Idk both are pair bonding Psyops

if both scenarios are true love then it doesn't matter. me, i'd prefer to spend my whole life with my true love, but if it took me a while to find her, then that's fine too. thankfully, i've found her and don't need that scenario though.

Old and young scenario, you both take things for granted.

Both young, it can be a struggle while both are immature and can have more hardship.

What is presented here is a false dichotomy.

Well we’re talking ideals. Obviously not every relationship will fit into either of these frames.

Fair enough, although I am still troubled imagining any one trajectory being ideal in this case. I can tell you I married late to a woman about ten years younger and we have happy family; if I had married sooner, life stressers and my own issues very well may have lead to a problematic relationship.

I think to each their own. What works for someone prob won’t work for others. Some people are not mature enough to get married or have kids in their young 20s. I wouldn’t have been able to be as good of a husband and father as I am now mid 30s

In the former scenario the mans age will continue to increase as the money is debased while the female age remains the same.

All leads back to the economic incentives.

The latter scenario is objectively more wholesome and less manipulative in my view.

I wrote my response before reading the others. I saw some notes about emotional maturity. Children raised in safe, mature, and loving homes often don't need much preperation to raise children because it was modeled to them growing up.

I would point to all the trauma caused by fiat wars, media manipulation, addiction, and poverty passed down through the generations.

Now it takes 30+ to unfuck your soul to avoid passing it on to your kids.

Just speaking from my own experience here 😂

I have the best of both. My wife is young and hot, and we have built our success together.

Ideal balance: Women must be shared among multiple men when they are young. Older women share 1 man with other older women.