I'm not sure I should write down these thoughts right now while I'm not sure about them, but if you are reading this apparently I did.

I think nostr may already be doomed for two reasons. And as a result of that, if I conclude as such, it would make sense to start working on a successor protocol. I've been taking some notes about what we should change if we started over, but that's the extent of it, I'm not working on a successor protocol. I'm only working on nostr. So don't misinterpret this note, which just represents some thoughts I've been having.

Reason one is the misaligned incentives of note copying. The incentives are to copy your notes to every relay you can, blast them out everywhere, to get more reach. That incentive doesn't go away until and unless all the clients do the outbox model. But they don't have an incentive to change, and there are people who don't give a fuck about fixing this and argue against fixing it and argue for note copying, and there is no way in a free society to make them care. So we can never fix this, and nostr will always be centralized in practice and never what it could have been. That means nostr is doomed and unfixable and we should make sure to start differently next time so this doesn't happen again.

Reason two is that the seed culture of nostr was far too monolithic: bitcoiners. What a culture develops into probably depends on how diverse its seed was. It's quite hard to get people onto nostr unless they are at least very bitcoin tolerant. Most people (yes, I think most) are put off by so much bitcoin promotion and related posts. Certainly people can follow anybody they want, and make their own independent cultures, perhaps even on a disjoint set of relays. But this isn't likely to happen due to the law of large numbers - there are far more ways for them to encounter and interact with the nest of bitcoiners then to not encounter and interact with them.

These are thoughts I'm entirely unsure about. Maybe I'm wrong in both cases. These are my worries.

I think you are wrong on the second point. I can’t speak on the first, as I haven’t any technical chops.

Bitcoiners are extremely diverse, but the most important thing for a lot of them is the freedom and the ability to transact in ideas and monetarily, without any mediation, or censorship. We/they care more deeply about this than most of the general public and that is what brought them/me here.

Every network has its base and if the network adds value over time, it can bring in other people.

Maybe, the world will never care about privacy/censorship online ever again, but that’s a proposition I will fight tooth and nail over. But I also think if this happens, then there’s no point for nostr or any alternative, because you will never get growth in your user base unless you widdle away everything that made nostr different, until it is unrecognizable from the things you found abhorrent in the first place.

Bitcoiners give a shit about censorship, when most of the world doesn’t. Either the rest starts to care, or we’re fucked anyway.

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