Question(s) for paid relay operators:

What are the biggest challenges in running a paid relay? Has spam still been an issue even though they’re paid?

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Keeping it free for non-paying users and still provide good service to those who pay.

Does eden.nostr.land have a free version? I thought it was only paid.

Or can users still fetch events from the relay *without* paying but need to pay to post events to the relay?

Users can fetch for free but pay to publish.

Is that the case for all paid relays? Or can you prevent users from fetching as well unless they’re whitelisted by paying for the relay? (Excuse the n00b question)

For most known ones, yes. There is a client authentication NIP that is not well implemented in clients yet.

https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nips/blob/master/42.md

Making it sustainable. One time payment for unlimited duration of service isn’t a sustainable model.

Optimizing for scale. Reliability, performance, regional availability.

We have blocked exactly 1 spammer since the start of nostr.wine and it was early on.

how do you currently detect spam? user reports or proactive monitoring? i would imagine 20k sats upfront to be a sufficient deterrent.

It was back when the price was 8888 and we got one user report and I saw it on the feed. Same message over and over kinda spam.

My point was that generally speaking spam is NOT an issue on paid relays.

Good to know. I suppose any sufficiently motivated spammer could pay a fee, but most will not.

Without writing them a playbook, I’m sure more sophisticated scammers will eventually make their way on to paid relays. That will be a harder threat to detect and address.