I think women fall in love with men they fear losing control to and men fall in love with women they don’t want to lose.

At the most primal level… She wants to feel claimed by a force stronger than her resistance and he wants to possess something too precious to risk letting go.

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You've never loved anyone hodl, shut the fuck up.

Hope you find some happiness. sounds like you need it

Since you're bullshitting, I'm guessing you won't copy and paste my reply to HODL. He has me muted. Am I right?

The wording is a little interesting there (not that I think you meant it in the worst way it could be interpreted...). There's a degree of "strong enough to make the sacrifices" I think. It's not just that he's strong enough to brutishly force his will, but that he's strong enough that despite there being sacrifices in "acquiring" her, he will not back down from them.

That's the difference between a protector and a pillager.

And of course, distilling this down to one thing men and women want feels a bit silly, because of course things like tenderness, clear communication, honesty, etc all play their role. Also, there is a degree to which this applies across the gap, as I believe we men mostly want a bit of devotion back. Having read enough Norse (particularly Icelandic) sagas rife with feminine strength and the ways in which it manifests differently, but still with enough fire to bring down the strongest man, it's worth remembering that no matter what your bits, your ideal partner is going to be someone who both has your back, and whose back you feel compelled to do anything to protect. Dedicate yourself to protecting a woman that amuses herself by putting you in harm's way and you may find that your Bitcoin becomes generational wealth a bit earlier than you'd have liked.

"It's not just that he's strong enough to brutishly force his will"

Yes, not only that.

But low-key also that. LOL

Men or women, there’s strength, there’s courage and then there’s sacrifice for the well being of others. I think those things are universal.

Perhaps both strong enough to do so and not enough of an shitstain to actually do it. Except when there's been the appropriate wink wink nudge nudge anyway.

And the crazier you are, the more it goes from "let's have a safe word" to "I'm going to slap you in the face until you snap just so I can see it happen."

Well, crazy gonna crazy.

I think it's just flattering to know he thinks you're *still* unbearably hot, cuz he occasionally gets a bit carried away and has to be sternly reminded to CALM DOWN.

Women complain about that stuff, but it's often humble-bragging about being pursued. I'm already at the age where some husbands become impotent or happily send themselves to sleep on the couch, so I am very aware of what a flex it is that he gets a bit overexcited around me.

I mean, I see the alternative and get to hear about how expensive divorces are, and etc.

That makes sense. It's a cruel twist of nature that the male sexual peak is decades before the female peak, and perhaps surprising that it hasn't resulted in more relationships between younger men and older women. I'd wonder if that boiled down to economics except that the trend has been opposite for millenia.

Guess we all like getting that which is harder to get.

Men generally prefer younger women and vice versa. 🤷‍♀️

Indeed. Though preferences do change with cultural norms, so it's hard to say whether that's a natural state of things or something that is culturally determined.

Worth remembering is that a few centuries ago the norm in western cultures was to seek out plump women. And sure, thickness is making a comeback in come circles, but let's not forget just how insanely thin people were urged to be and seek out in the 80s and 90s. It does seem though that youth has been sought for long enough though that it may be a bit more than a cultural norm. That said, some cultural trends have longer arcs than others. It'd be interesting if women somehow had the upper hand economically speaking if the tables turned, in time. I'd say men often like younger women in part because they're perceived as more of a blank slate, and women like older men due to a degree of maturity, and economic stability. Is masculinity the inherently proactive, or yang, force? Or is it seen as such merely because of how things have shaken out in a post hunter/gatherer society? And even if it's always been this way, if our technology brings about a foundational shift, will it continue this way into the future?

All legitimate questions; I don't have some major prediction of it changing. Just curious how deep our aesthetic preferences run.