Nostr Web Client

I know how to make a very cool alternative to Nostr zaps using Cashu but before we can tackle that, we need to add some more crypto magic to the protocol which we're already working on.

Requirements:

- Tokens that everyone can verify the signature of (DLEQ proofs).

- Tokens that can be locked to a specific recipient (P2SH/P2PK).

Receiver can remain offline, sender can pay with a Lightning wallet to mint tokens that can be attached to a Nostr note and later redeemed by the recipient when they come back online.

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Shawn 2y ago

Genuine question: what’s the Why?

average_bitcoiner 2y ago

I would think because ecash is just a string of text so if you can transmit text on nostr, you can send ecash.

Code & Psychology ⚡️ 2y ago

Yes, but what is the usecase? What can this do better, differently than the already available lightning?

vnprc 2y ago

An LN invoice is also just a text string. The difference is in how you redeem it. The LN invoice requires your lightning node to talk to their lightning node synchronously, so it requires you both to run an always-online server. Most nostr users get around this requirement by using a custodial wallet. Lots of lightning stans complain about this, but you can't get around the reality of LN zaps requiring a lightning node. It's baked into the technology.

Ecash obviates the need for sender and receiver to run an always-on server. Instead, the ecash mint serves as a single always-on server in between sender and receiver. But wait! It gets better! The ecash server cannot tell who is transacting. In other words, this solves the non-custodial zap wallet problem and improves privacy to boot.

oobiyou 2y ago

Private transactions and 0 fees.

Shawn 2y ago

Nothing of value is truly free.

oobiyou 2y ago

You will pay a fee when you convert back to lightning, though.

vnprc 2y ago

it's more private, asynchronous, and it doesn't require you to run a lightning node or have a custodial wallet

Rydal 2y ago

Can there be an option for a transaction be reversed by the sender redeeming before the recipient comes back online? Or are the funds be locked to that recipient in all cases meaning if someone doesn’t redeem the funds are locked in limbo?

calle 2y ago

Yes, that's the thing that we're still hashing out. Tokens can be locked to a recipient and have a timelock, like an HTLC.

Rydal 2y ago

Excellent, looking forward to seeing what you come up with.

Nathan Day 2y ago

👀

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Vitor Pamplona 2y ago

Let's go! 🚀

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oobiyou 2y ago

I want this to happen. 🥜🥜🥜

Kamo Weasel 2y ago

YES!

Diogenes the Cynic 2y ago

This is a great idea.

BeOG 2y ago

I'm hearing more and more about Cashu and Fedi. https://www.arkpill.me/ Ark is another scaling solution that you don't need to issue new coins. I believe it uses Vtxos that are interoperable with UTXOs

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utxo the webmaster 🧑‍💻 2y ago

Feels like a nice upgrade

Melvin Carvalho 2y ago

💯

Gustavo 2y ago

Couldn't a bot solve the zap issue for Damus? Instead of a button, iPhone users could delegate the zapping process by replying to messages mentioning a pre-configured bot. nostr:npub1xtscya34g58tk0z605fvr788k263gsu6cy9x0mhnm87echrgufzsevkk5s

MTCᵍᵐ 2y ago

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