Subnostr

My main point is if you give control of lookup to some random algorithm in the client, then you no longer have the ability to push this logic to a proxy server, or to have a setup that is a private relay group, or many other closed relay set ideas.

The relay set is the base layer, outbox makes the most sense in a public social networking setup, but it should not replace user-configured relay sets. Maybe the better analogy is dhcp vs hardcoding ips. Actually this is even beyond dhcp, but something like dhcp for relay sets would be cool.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 1y ago

it's not a random algorithm when that in/out box set is given to the network by your follows

as for the phobia i hear here in the "private/paid" relay side of things, that's because you haven't thought about the idea of being able to access - for one - DMs by being party to them (what would be the point of having a paid relay to post your DMs to if your recipients couldn't get them from there???)

there is such thing also, as rate limiting systems, that provide a "free tier" access accounting that ... DEPENDS on authentication

so, if i am in a discussion with someone, and they reply to my message, and my NPUB is in the tags of the event, then a paid relay should rightly deliver me that event on request AFTER AUTH

any further stuff you talk about comparing DHCP versus IPs you fall into a quagmire because literally NIP-65 is about registering locations to the equivalent of a DHCP server using your MAC address as reference to a "leased" IP address

i'm happy to keep explaining this stuff until you, especially client devs, get it

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jb55 1y ago

I am specifically referring to scenarios where you connect to a specific relay over VPN for a corporate network, or within a geolocked region such as japan. If the algo is “pull notes from other random peoes relays, that random people are telling me to pull from, that I don’t want to connect to in the first place” then you are killing many use cases right off the bat.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 1y ago

well, that's unfortunate, but that's not a thing we should be engineering for

it's too complicated... and it's something that VPNs solve

jb55 1y ago

what do you mean? I think have a private twitter for your own company is a great idea. It was one of damus’ original tag lines.