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Welcome back! You're right that more people are starting to realize there are real challenges here.

As for the specific retention issues...

Onboarding. The fact that self-hosting requires some technical know-how and equipment, and the alternative is to pay to play.

It's easy to pay more than a verified check cost on X when you factor in media hosting and spam-resistant relays.

Network effects. People are already established elsewhere and their friends aren't on Nostr. You're posting into a void initially.

Bitcoin echo chamber. Most people talk about Bitcoin ad nauseam. It really is the main topic of the entire protocol. If you're not interested in Bitcoin maximalism, there's still very little content diversity to keep you engaged.

Reach. People want to be heard. The daily active users hover around 10,000-15,000 "trusted" pub keys. Compare that to any mainstream platform and you're talking about a fraction of a percent of potential audience.

If you're trying to build a brand, promote a business, or just want your voice to matter in broader conversations, Nostr simply doesn't have the numbers.

But here's the thing that really gets me—according to nostr.band data, retention of trusted users trends to 0 within 30 days for recent cohorts. Think about that. We're not just failing to onboard people properly; we're losing the ones who actually make it through the initial hurdles.

The message-to-market mismatch is glaring. The marketing focuses on censorship resistance, but most users aren't posting anything that would get them banned elsewhere. The value proposition doesn't match the user experience for the average person.

And then there's the technical complexity that nobody wants to talk about. Even basic features like follow lists don't scale properly, and the relay model creates consistency issues that confuse new users.

I could go on, but these are the main structural hurdles I see that need addressing before Nostr can move beyond its current niche.

I think technical complexity is the biggest issue.

That and just how difficult it is to actually find people when you first join.

Took me weeks to find enough people to follow and even then, 1/3 of the day, from about now until 9pm my time, it's just empty.

Media hosting is one thing but the majority of people on social media are consumers rather than producers so I think it's more just the lack of content to view rather than people wanting to post more than they can

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And yet, we are the content creators and app developers. We are why people use Nostr.

As a newer user I only partially agree. The community isn't why I came here. I know nobody on here so it wasnt a "I really want to follow X but they only post on Nostr". Its the idea of a platform immune to all the censorship and digital ID stuff that makes me want to use it. But at the same time it had nobody on it there would be no point in using it.

What does help bigtime is that this community while quite one sided in their interests with the majority being bitcoiners are friendly and seem tollerant people. While Mastodon was the most toxic place I have ever been to. I got slandered as a nazi and banned for suggesting I should be able to follow a content creator on an instance that the creators of Mastodon didn't like. Not only did I get defamed by the tusky developer who crippled the app not to work with that instance I got banned within 5 minutes for merely suggesting it on a very large mastodon instance.

Here its not like that. They can't dog pile me to get rid of me because there is no admin that can boot me off. As a result those power tripping psycho's don't come here as they have no power here. And what you then see is that the people who do come here are the ones who value civil discussion even if they don't agree. The whole zap thing encourages people to be civil, so does the anti censorship.

Personally I havent seen spam. At least not worse than Mastodon used to be. I just know that on any platform chronological global timelines are a bad idea. So I don't take the posts that are there to be an issue with the platform. Instead I follow people I come across in the comments or look at who the people I follow are following.

Censorship resistance was the only reason I came to Nostr originally. That cancel this t-shirt company guy from tiktok made a video about it.

He wasn't even here for 2 weeks before he stopped posting though.