thats lightning only though
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That’s a feature
if you only want a community of bitcoiners sure
There are just a few more people in the world besides Bitcoiners. We should build for them too.
This is Golden Rule development philosophy.
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What does that mean, in practice
It is for them too
sure but in practice it just scares people away
It didn’t scare me. Maybe you aren’t giving people enough credit.
And, maybe you’re trying to appeal to the wrong people.
Who would be scared of Stacker News and be looking for a Reddit alternative built on nostr? Not many people.
If you have 0.000bitcoin you aren't able to post there afaik? It may just be 21 sats, but some people have nothing, don't have a lightning wallet etc etc.
This is not to mention that it is pretty much Bitcoin forum, perhaps even more so than nostr is a Bitcoin chatroom lol.
Are you going to join a reddit clone where everyone talks about ethereum and you have to pay (very small amounts) of ethereum to post?
I started there with 0 sats. You can make a free introductory post and bootstrap from the zaps it gets.
Also, there’s already a very active sports community and lots of non-bitcoin discussions about economics, politics, and general news. Last month, about 60 original short stories were published there.
I don’t see anything like that level of non-bitcoin content on nostr and it’s much harder to find.
I've not paid too much attention to it. But I do like the format, it could probably do with making subsections like Bitcoin, sports, music etc etc (although I imagine they are happy with it being a Bitcoin forum, but maybe a form of it). The front page would be enough to put anyone off who doesn't want to talk about Bitcoin.
But besides an initial introductory bunch of sats, there's no guarantee that a no coiner would be able to post after that gone. Especially if they're posting niche/ignored or otherwise unpopular posts/topics. So it once again incentivises (like nostr) more Bitcoin posts.
I do like how they give you a wallet tho, no need to fuss about that step of you are a lightning noob.
I totally get why pay-to-post exists tho too
There are separate sections for those things, called territories. I own the econ territory and co-own sports. I agree that discoverability from the front page could be improved.
If someone spends more on posting fees than they receive in zaps, it means they aren't adding value to the readers. That they cease posting is sort of the point of a market economy. Extra pressure to consider what value you're adding is another feature that people sometimes see as a bug.
That said, most of us do want people to have some sort of ration of free posts, like one per day.
Oh I didn't know that, that is very interesting. I see it now, on the drop down.
How are these territories made? What if someone came along and wanted to make their own 'terrirtory'?
Not sure I agree with you. Someone posting there about an unpopular topic will likely be spending more on fees than receiving because there is no audience for their topic. The same person / posts may be very popular in a niche interest forum. Or perhaps it would even depend on their politics, a socialist poster wouldn't fare well there I imagine (just as an obvious example, but you get the idea). It having no value to the existing audience isn't a great mechanism to encourage wider adoption / diversity of topics and views.
Do we have any idea of the stats on stacker news user numbers/growth?
Territories can be made by anyone at anytime on any topic. For one month, a territory costs 50k sats and the founder gets to set the posting and commenting fees and receives a split of the zaps to content in that territory. There are something like eight profitable territories right now. The bottom of the site has a link to the analytics page, which has a bunch of graphs on various metrics.
You make a good point about quality posts vs what's currently valued. My experience is that thoughtful posts about almost anything can receive a decent quantity of zaps. The community isn't all that monolithic, other than being bitcoin maxis.
Hold on, 50k sats PER MONTH to have a topic forum? That seems quite outrageous no? That can't be right?
It is correct, and as I said many territories more than earn that back and many more nearly break even.
That fee is the source of funding for the developers. They don’t take any cut of the activity on the site.
600,000 sats a year seems insane, no?
I suppose this does not take into account the the forum ('territory') owner takes a % from the posts or something, like you said most break even.
But there are like 20+ subforums (I can't count them on my phone so it's a bit of a guess) on stackernews.
That's 20 x $650~
= $13000 per annum. Can this be right??
Also building a nostr-decentralised reddit that comes even a tiny bit close to the UX of actual reddit is just a monumental task. It's not just a build, you need to casually solve a number of long-standing computer science problems on the way.
So many of 'us' have a hard time understanding how people don't always agree with 'us'. 😂
"Bitcoiners" is a term only because of Bitcoin's novelty. You don't call people "Dollar-ers" because they use dollars. Stacker is reddit with V4V. Building with other monetary mediums in mind is only to the detriment of the users. Just look at how many currencies have failed. Building with those currencies as the focal value transfer is just short sighted.
USDT zaps.
I wasn’t a bitcoiner when I started using Stacker News