so you consider socialism and capitalism to be similar?

then i don't mean capitalism either, actually i didn't even mention that

i mean honest, bible based free market capitalism honest weights and measures and no usury and no tyranny

maybe i'm idealistic but if you ask me the human race has inflicted this suffering on itself because every time you tolerate an incursion it gets easier to push harder on you the next time, and if your threshold is low, then you will get squashed and find yourself in a prison of slavery before you know it

i'd rather die than be a slave

"Batty : Quite an experience to live in fear, isn't it? That's what it is to be a slave."

- Blade Runner

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like Orwell writes in Nineteen Eighty Four

if you don't know the words for things you can't think about them

The greek language has more words than the other languages. I do see a difference with other people sometimes. They can't describe something accurately enough in their language and they choose an alternative or loose description.

Yeah i get you i think and i like your plans etc but free market capitalism without usury and tyranny is an impossible longshot i think by definition. Not to mention the honesty you say.

Capitalism and socialism are similar in many ways. Good in theory, awful in practice. Most people can live under a modest capitalistic or socialistic regime but everyone wants to change what is having. Anyway, the thing is that many people blaim socialism for bad things that capitalism has and thus dive deeper in the capitalistic shit. It's a weird thing, yet happens all the time. You can see everywhere blaiming socialism for capitalistic doings.

i think that goodness is rare, by its nature, and thus requires more work than evil to achieve, but has a greater durability, so the initial outlay tends to be commensurate with the result

this is what people mean when they talk about "high time preference" - that is where you want the least work for the least bad result

"low time preference" is where you want the least work for the best result, over a much longer time window

i don't even understand what the socialist definition of any word means, but the word capitalism is the least clear

they seem to think that "capital" means power, and power is influence, and the ability to deceive

but actually, this is thanks to a historical linguistic thing

capitoline hill, one of the 7 in Rome, is the location of the Temple of Saturn

capital, in the sense of the german word "Kapital" as in the basis of the title of Marx's book "Das Kapital" ostensibly was talking about the matter of resources, what is understood by business people and a substantial part of the economic theorist population by the word "Capital" is simply the resources that can be applied to use for a given end

the optimal application of capital gives you the most beneficial result for the majority of people

the least optimal application of capital gives you the most beneficial result for the smallest minority of people

when i say "capitalism" i mean someone who works on optimizing the application of resources to the greatest profit for the greatest number of people, because i consider "capital" to mean resources and "capitalizing" is well understood to make the greatest possible value out of a resource

how "capital" and "power" get confused with each other is part of the mind trick that these plutocrats, or maybe it's more accurate to say they are members of the Temple of Saturn, which is on the hill called "Capitoline" and the word "capito" means to grasp, and there is two meanings of grasping

one is the basis of "entrepreneur" the french word for grasp, the latin "capito" is "pren-" and "entrepreneur" means to "grasp between" (entre means between, which is also related to the word for "enter" which means to penetrate an opening).

the other meaning of grasp is literally theft

so you see, there is a persistent and unmitigated confusion between the meaning of seizing opportunities and taking advantage of people using mechanisms of power, which depend on deception and theft

if you believed that black means light and white means darkness, then how could i have a conversation with you about the nature of the illumination of an environment, or an image?

same problem with this confusion between capital and power

if we can't agree what these words mean, we can't have a conversation, and this is a deliberate poisoning of the language, and if you actually have read Nineteen Eighty Four you would understand that one of the primary tools of socialists, or, as Orwell called them "Oligarchic Collectivists" is to distort the language, and eliminate logic that would mean people could understand they are being lied to

so, i hereby recuse from engaging in a conversation with a person who does not know the definition of "capital" and who confuses it with "power" and expects me to assume the same meaning of their words

i wish i could say there was some better option here but Stella bumped me into you and i am a fiercely free market, Misesian person who considers the OLD and ORIGINAL meaning of the german word "Kapital" to mean resources, not power, it is a terrible waste of my time to say one more word to you, unless you are going to do yoru homework.

Wow. What a mesh. I couldn't imagine that, mot even close. No wonder that people are so confused. That being said, i am not the one who has to do homework. And Orwell was precise about oligarchic collectivists. That's all i have to say