I’ve been devoting some thought to the idea that gangs of thugs require semi automatic pistols with multiple magazines for self defense scenario. While I recognize that some people may live in a circumstance that necessitates these preparations, a large caliber powerful revolver is all I am willing to carry for self defense, for a number of defensible reasons. There are some scenarios, simply put where you may find yourself, surrounded, outgunned, and frankly fucked no matter what you do. I think this is an important piece of cognitive floss for anyone who chooses to carry, as an illusion of grandeur is not only dangerous to yourself, but also those around you. You may afford yourself the opportunity to stop a terrible tragedy in progress by issuing a few well placed shots, you may die in the process of doing so, but in any case a response with a gun is rarely justified without shots fired by the assailant, and a shot or two is all you are likely to get. The acid test for involving your firearm should be, is there a case where I could be wrong in my assessment of this circumstance? Shots fired in a public place? Not likely. Otherwise, play it cool, act like a victim and try to escape without being a hero or an unwitting villain. #gunstr #selfdefense #firearm
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Can't get the slide out of battery if pressing into an assailant right on top of you, no magazine feed issues, if the round is a dud just pull again, but I also agree with your general sentiment of avoiding that at all costs.
Not to mention that having a chambered round under a spring loaded firing pin is risky, I don’t care what safety you’re using, striker being the worst. I think it is important to realize that even the venerable 1911 was developed for combat situations, the acceptable level of accidental discharge risk is much higher in a combat zone when compared to suburban father scenarios. I leave the firing pin over a discharged chamber in my EDC revolver because frankly, it doesn’t matter why if I accidentally shoot my kid. Safety first people! Use your head.
if the trigger pull is that light i think you got other problems. having to pull the slide before firing could cost you your life if they already did.
See this is where I disagree. With a revolver it’s safe until you pull the trigger, racking the slide is going to make the critical difference in an very small number of circumstances, training deficiencies are going to have a much larger effect on outcomes. If you hear shots, you are going to seek cover first. Once again, there are circumstances where you just can’t win. Do you really think unleashing ten rounds in a generalized unvetted direction pre-racking the slide is truly a good idea? Maybe you hit an innocent. Maybe you hit a child. Either way, you better hope I am not there, and identify you as the threat in spite of your intentions. nostr:npub1mlekuhhxqq6p8w9x5fs469cjk3fu9zw7uptujr55zmpuhhj48u3qnwx3q5
If someone broke into my house I would kill them with extreme prejudice. No warning. No hesitation. No mercy.
Anyone who crosses the line of breaking and entering a private domicile has assumed the ultimate risk and if the domicile is mine then I would never put myself at increased risk by hesitating. Hesitation gets you killed and there is absolutely no way to know what their intentions are and if they’re armed themselves.
In my home, you would be greeted with .72 caliber. What do you carry concealed in public spaces?
I don’t have my concealed carry. Raw dogging the wilderness 😂
I don’t either, but really? You would ask the authorities for permission? It’s another threshold for use of your firearm. I risk a felony every day. Stupid? Worth it. The hoops to legality will continue to be increasingly out of reach.
Asymmetric losses. The likelihood of you ever needing that weapon for shootout self defense is very low. The odds of you getting caught with it and getting mandatory minimum prison time as a slave for the state are orders of magnitude greater than odds of it saving your life.
My situational awareness and ability use my body, blade and vehicle as a weapon are more than sufficient for me to feel confident moving around in the world.
To each their own. I am an old man living in a world of exponentially increasing factors of instability. I have never been body searched in decades of high risk associations with law enforcement. Manage your own risks, for me, carrying is worth the potential consequence. Maybe for you, it isn’t. C’est la vie, mate!
Fully agree and I was actually going to say the same. I respect you for doing it and have absolutely no issue with your choices. The world is slightly safer for it too.
If you knew me you’d know I am a person who doesn’t ask permission and doesn’t respect many establishment decrees. But as a person who is doing other things that increase my risk of being searched it’s a compounding factor I’m not willing to expose myself to.
I wasn't going to respond until you ended with "safety first."
I believe that is incorrect. Safety is so far down my list of concerns when I carry, especially with a modern striker-fired pistol with 2x-3x the capacity of your revolver.
I carry either in my pocket (in a sticky holster) or appendix with a round in the chamber. There is no other sensible way to carry (some can argue for different carry positions and that's fine). I have no fear of any unintentional discharge. I have no fear of my own self pulling the trigger when I am not sure of what I am doing. In those situations where I will consider drawing (descalation and escaping are better options if possible) my pistol, safety is not my primary concern. Nor should it be for anyone else. Determine your target, draw, aim, squeeze, and keep firing until the threat or threats are terminated.
The rate of multiple attackers going after people is rising very quickly. The rates of manufacturing issues with ammunition are also going up, as the demand is still elevated. Being able to quickly clear a fault, drop a mag, slap in a new one, is worth not having a revolver by itself.
There are many semi-auto pistols on the market that have built in muzzle standoffs, or just adding a pistol light can also achieve the same thing, plus you'll also have a light to help ID a target.
Anyway... Revolvers are cool. They are great if you're trying to assassinate someone and not leave any casings behind. But they have been outmoded for over a century.
Also, focusing too much of "safety" is not a good mindset to have. It can greatly increase your response time when fractions of a second may count.
You have more training than the vast majority of concealed carry folks. I can respect the trade off in safety you choose to embrace, though I still think that you perceive yourself as a vigilante or entitled enforcement entity rather than a defensive citizen. Lights in general just aid the enemy in knowing where to point the rifle barrage that is likely coming in response to your shot or two. With a revolver there is no clearing a defective round, just click and move on. This is not as much a discussion on equipment as it is a discussion on the perceived role of the citizen defender. The nuance is important.
I'm not a vigilante, but, I'm also not going to shy away from danger. I carry to protect. If I need to, I will do by best to put down anyone who is doing or attempting to do harm to myself, my family, or in certain circumstances, my property.
In most cases, there are no rifles. If there is little doubt of not than one attacker, a proper light is a force multiplier. And I get to choose to use it or not, depending on the circumstances.
I try to think ahead and think this through so if something happens, there's less active thinking. I flip through my already determined check list, and can very quickly decide if it's flight or fight.
Solid. I’d be happy to share a public forum with a person like you, however I do think there are many who are misguided and pose a threat to themselves and others with good intentions and bad practices.
And whatever you do, call it in. Be the complainant not the defendant.
Absolutely. After thought, we don’t shoot to kill, we shoot to stop a life threatening behavior. It’s an important distinction in court, but if you’re good with a gun, and have the right gun, death of the assailant will likely be the outcome.