Nostr Web Client

with a fleshed out wiki ecosystem I'd love to analyze and extract the most divisive content - basically and intersection in content but a schizm in interpretation. Where are ideas initially published to and then broadcasted? How do groups curate their narrative? How robust are groups to external community brigading?

liminal 🦠 1y ago

Being such a small community of early nostr users we don't need to worry about narrative takeover as much. However when nostr gets popular, connecting to the Damus relay or any other free relay for a wiki can quickly turn into quite the shitshow. Which is why I think nostr:npub1zuuajd7u3sx8xu92yav9jwxpr839cs0kc3q6t56vd5u9q033xmhsk6c2uc's nostr.how is such a great opportunity for a nostr knowledge base. A relay of white listed users creating content which can exist alongside the static content. Write articles about nostr at whatever level they care or as specified by whatever community guidelines for posting

Another great example is nostr:npub1stemstrls4f5plqeqkeq43gtjhtycuqd9w25v5r5z5ygaq2n2sjsd6mul5 or nostr:npub1yfg0d955c2jrj2080ew7pa4xrtj7x7s7umt28wh0zurwmxgpyj9shwv6vg having a community knowledgebase for its own users - not only for how to navigate their own app, but knowledge about anything music creation and colaboration. Beyond the service is the creation of some community with shared values, which encourages continual use of the service.

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Laeserin 1y ago

You can also just use WoT, or filter down for a particular topic within a particular app.

liminal 🦠 1y ago

WoT can be gamed and gets more difficult with more users, especially if you're not caching it. As tools develop it will get more difficult to game, but that just means that those with intentions for to infiltrated are that much stronger. It is the use of both top-down (relay level- owner, leaders of communities) and bottup-up (user level- WOT with tweakable parameters) to help best curate signal at multiple scales.

Laeserin 1y ago

That's true. Walled gardens tend to be high-signal.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 1y ago

10% of them, and the other 90% are dejavu

Laeserin 1y ago

Well, each group gets the garden they deserve.

My Slack group and Simplex chat are deafeningly high signal.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 1y ago

that is because you are administrator and you have discrimination

liminal 🦠 1y ago

Which is the whole point, a gradient of controls for both the users and relay operators. Users decide how wide open their feed is from external users and they also subscribe to relay operators that align with their curation ideals.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 1y ago

the point of nostr focusing on delivery and not filtering is that people can put filters in the client, in the relay, wherever they want

curation then becomes an opinion and a feed itself, instead of a gate thorugh which nobody can breach

PABLOF7z 1y ago

100000%

you design your feed, fully voluntary

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 1y ago

keeping the layers of a stack simple is something that takes experience

liminal 🦠 1y ago

> that is because you are administrator and you have discrimination

Meant that is the who point of the silos. I'm arguing that we don't actually need to fight censorship anymore unless you are actually talking about nostr at the protocol level.

Sitting on top of the protocol level is that curation. Of course it is voluntary, but interesting things will happen there, observable and broadcastable by anyone else.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 1y ago

the main difference is that nobody can control the trafic on nostr, it's just a protocol, it's not a corporate intranet

Laeserin 1y ago

Feel like I spend too much time on here discussing whether girls are stupid and should have rocks thrown at them, with men who couldn't reason their way out of a box.

Trivial midwittery abundant.

Distraction. Noise.

liminal 🦠 1y ago

Precisely. Curate what you want to see, delegate mass curation to who controls your relays. If you want to see everything, personal and free relays are where its at and you'll broadcast whatever you want there as well.

PABLOF7z 1y ago

> WoT can be gamed

how?

liminal 🦠 1y ago

Goodharts law: "When a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure". Clients, open source or not will have their WOT metrics known or approximated which are now targets to optimize.

Whatever the system that is constructed to keep bad actors away is, its its still a proxy for human trust which is fallable.

Sure I trust myself for most of my curation, moreso with a WOT. However I would like to be signaled and not encounter known bad actors encountered by my community/s.

Considering the long game strategies and the long history of inciting intra group division and then letting them destroy themselves from the inside out. Can we solve it completely? No, but we can build robust tools to help guard against it.

PABLOF7z 1y ago

I think this is a bit of a handwave; some things are brutally asymmetrically expensive to fake. WoT is, much like cryptography, P!=NP.

liminal 🦠 1y ago

Interesting. I'll have to come back to this.

It could also be a difference in definitions where I'm actually not sure if I'm using the same one others are. I couldn't work out how wikifreedia does WOT from the code, could you mention that here? If you know any resources about it off your head I'd also be interested in reading them too.