Went to another crypto exchange event last week and one of the most interesting question I've been asked by a crypto guy is "When will Bitcoin have a real layer 2?"

To them, Lightning network, liquid, fedi, cashu, are not 'real' layer 2. A real layer 2 'must have its' own token so people could "invest in the technology" '

They are not interested in Lightning because "it couldn't work" and that "it's not a real project."

I don't feel compelled to answer so I just laugh along and listen to their other woes.

We really do live in a different world.