Replying to Avatar ynniv

A decoy wallet... for when someone gets your seed phrase? It's unlikely that someone will make their paraphrase long enough to prevent someone from brute forcing it. If you want a decoy seed phrase, why not change a few words and fix the checksum? At least then it's less obviously a decoy... "25 words" + low balance = decoy that you should run a dictionary attack on. 24 words with low balance is a wallet
Avatar
daniele 5mo ago 💬 2

> It's unlikely that someone will make their paraphrase long enough to prevent someone from brute forcing it

Reality check: for the casual user that doesn't have a life changing amount in Bitcoin, it is more likely that the seed is found by a roommate or some random guy that works in their property, instead of being the target of a determined, informed and well-equipped attacker.

So even a medium simple and high memorable passphrase can be effective in many situations as additional security layer.

Reply to this note

Please Login to reply.

Discussion

Avatar
semisol 5mo ago 💬 1

You can even store it in a password manager or your computer.

Avatar
daniele 5mo ago 💬 1

Sure. But casual users don't use password managers, and if they do probably they don't have sufficient opsec and backup procedures in place.

A memorable (easy to transcribe and store as well) passphrase seems a good starting point.

Avatar
ynniv 5mo ago 💬 1

Make a 24 word seed

Use the first 12 words as a decoy

Use the second 12 words as a decoy

Use the second 12 plus the first 12 as a 24 word decoy

Now you have three decoys using the vast ecosystem of 12/24 phrase storage tools and no one ever has to lose funds because wtf is a 25 word seed

Avatar
ynniv 5mo ago 💬 1

You're more likely to lose your phrase than to have it stolen

Avatar
daniele 5mo ago 💬 1

I talked about stolen *seeds*.

A passphrase can be memorizable, you can always store it securely in a password manager, and offline backup are safer since the format is not easily identifiable as is the case with seeds.

Avatar
ynniv 5mo ago 💬 1

That's the problem: if you can memorize the passphrase, it's generally easy to brute force. If you can memorize 12 words, just do that. If you want a 24 word seed, store the first twelve, then memorize the second.

So far the argument has been that paraphrases are great for og Bitcoiners. That's fine, but they can figure out a way to work inside a system that doesn't burn the next billion Bitcoiners

Avatar
jb55 5mo ago 💬 1

its not hard to memorize 24 words + seed phrase,people have no idea how good memory is

although funny enough I can't mention this without a swarm of bitcoiners who say iTs NoT a GoOd iDeA tO mEmOriZE tHiNgs.

like bruh you do you if you don't want extra backups that can't be confuscated, but I lived through an era where police in Canada confuscated multisig wallets and they lost access to it.

Avatar
ynniv 5mo ago 💬 1

Cmon, it's very hard to memorize 30+ random words. There are better ways to accomplish your goal

Avatar
jb55 5mo ago 💬 2

I thought the same until I tried it. its incredibly easy. you just do a memory palace / story technique.

this is a very misunderstood thing about humans