Just seems weird that ideas are protected by law when ideas are basically stollen from other ideas
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Oh, I took your original post as being FOR protecting the little guys (us). But it seems you're against that.
So, do you think there's a difference between a simple idea like "I'm hungry" --and-- a complex idea creation of a web of ideas consisting of a story, carefully crafted characters, original worldbuilding, dynamic gripping plot, philosophical teachings from the author's experience, personal storirs from the author's life, detailed takes on various other fundamental topics all rolled into a phenomenal creation?
Or are those 2 ideas the same -- just "ideas"?
A great idea doesnât need protection, it lives a life of its own.
It's OK, you don't have to answer my question. I'm just fascinated by this topic!
Well shit. Thatâs how I took it tooâspoken like a consumer rather than creator
I âcreatedâ an idea of a nostr client for recipes with nostr:npub1xxdd8eusvdxmaph3fkuu9x2mymhrcc3ghe2l38zv0l4f4nqp659qskkt7a I would feel shame if I tried to IP protect that idea with an army of lawyers. I am proud that it is open source and anyone can build off of it. Weâve worked to build a brand. Thatâs my stake. The idea is free for anyone to build off of.
Open Source is part of IP law. Licenses like the GPL make it so a free software can't be taken and slightly changed and then locked up by another, changes must be shared. IP law also protects free software, it works both ways.
Humility checks the ego. All true, and certainly relevant. In a conceptual world where we could argue the relevance of IP in a hypothetical legal framework that isnât what is currently in existence, then yes. đ
I'll definitely agree copyright law has been perverted from it's initial intention "To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries".
Originally a 14 year period, it's been extended to over 5 times that length of time, effectively locking away culture for entire human lifetimes. It makes sense to reward creators with a brief period to profit from their creations, this is an incentive to create and release things. But eventually it must be released back to the culture from which it came for everyone's benefit.
Imagine if everything from 2010 entered the public domain this year, instead of works from 1929.
Is true. The creators and artists need a shield from the corporate lawyer sleez bags for sure. Itâs a good conversation to have because it takes a lot of thought and consideration to retain that right balance.
It's been a long discussion đ Printers & Binders act ~1530, statute of St Anne ~ 1700, US Copyright act 1790. A balancing act that is a bit unbalanced right now maybe. The march of technology and the continued improvements to ease of copying makes it even more difficult.
I appreciate that history and the context of the legal framework. It shouldnât be easy, but fundamentally we enter a new era where we need to decide the next framework for the years to come.
I'm the last guy I'd expect to argue *for* Copyright law, my hobby is piracy and I like posting full movies in Nostr notes đ¤Ł
But at the same time I see the intended purpose, and it makes sense on some scale. Just not the way it exists now, where giant corporations use it to lock up culture. Scale it back, make it apply on a more personal level. The artist, not the corporation.
Depends on what heâs talking about, oss and MIT licenses are one thing, I usually think of music and publishing⌠context woulda been good
You can't 'steal' ideas.
If I use your idea, you still have your idea.
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Still no one is answering my question. Very telling đ
Good ideas donât need protection from the government, they just grow with the right watering and light.
Bro you've not understood my specific points. That's OK. And your points are so vague, impractical and theoretical they are not helping me understand your argument. That's OK too.
The complexity of an idea doesnât determine its value. It matters more how well itâs executed. Most ideas, whether simple or complex, are built on top of older ones. Star Wars, for example, is rich in character development and narrative depth, but itâs essentially a modern retelling of older mythology. My aregument is that a well executed idea can lead to even more creativity and innovation.
I wonder whether our current intellectual property laws truly protect small creators? They seem to favor those with deep pockets more than the little guy. Just look at patent trolls, their entire business model is exploiting loopholes. Thatâs not a system that encourages innovation, but one that puts a moat around an idea with the biggest legal department.
Current copyright law does protect small writers and songwriters, clearly, and thank God that protection is never going to change, regardless of how loud the infinitesimally small number of people on your side of the argument complain about that protection. đ
And you still didn't answer my 2 questions above. That's OK too.
And you're confusing "ideas" with complex intellectual creations. But that's OK too.
Also, do you own your house then? Or does it belong to the trees and rocks that were used to build it? I mean the builder just stole that material from other material, right?
You can't 'steal' ideas.
If I use your idea, you still have your idea.