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Kudos to you to keep trying the civil conversation going, it's essential. I gave up because I came to the conclusion that there is no real motivation to discuss the issue at hand from core.

As Jimmy Song beautifully said "though couched in technical terms, the argument is ultimately an economic one".

I believe this can also be seen in core ppl being super willing to engage in technical discussion of this topic (they replied even to me for hours on this), but as soon as you try to include in the convo non-technical aspects (i.e. economic ones) they stop engaging all of a sudden. This happened systematically 95% of the time

epsql 3mo ago

Honestly something feels off on the purely technical side too:

- they claim they want to prevent mining decentralization, but shouldn't that be really addressed with StratumV2 and Datum instead of lifting OP_RETURN limits? The witness discount makes it cheaper anyways to publish data on chain, so I'm not sure how this point it's being addressed

- they keep bringing up compact block reconstruction, when it's obvious that filtered transactions can be cached for a while until a block is found

One positive takeaway of all this is that Bitcoiners are all but complacent.

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epsql 3mo ago

(I meant mining centralization of course)

FernandoTheKoala 3mo ago

yep there isn't even a convincing argument on the technical aspect they are pushing. When you add on top all the fishy behaviours and interests involved it's a mess all over

Like you said, at the end, there is much positive from all this episode. We know that bitcoiners are still vigilant and not complacent (at least for now) and we are moving away from a core-monopoly as reference implementation

I hope to god that core devs who pushed for this sold themselves out for fiat gains (absolutely disgusting anyway) and not for allowing state control.

By the way I think we should try and reach out more to those core devs who are not part of this change and understood that core is compromised and they need to switch to another implementation (even better creating a new one)

MrTea 3mo ago

Which small mining pools agree with them? It’s pretty presumptuous to speak for small miners when none seem to support you