The workplace is not a place for sexual expression. Unless it's topical to your profession or industry. A man and a woman kissing in a professional setting is equally distasteful.
As for "fucking priorities", my wife is #1 and only for sex. No fixing needed.
We are not having sex in the office. But it’s OK to have a rainbow bracelet. And it’s nice to see that whether or not you are part of the community you are respected by your employer and fellow colleagues.
What you are saying is totally an over sexualized idea you have in your head. The acceptance of LGBT in society is not sexualization, when we support LGBT we don’t support a dick in an ass, we support the idea of love.
Love it’s a natural emotion, it’s brain chemistry that can be studied. Has nothing to do with your sexual fantasies about 2 men or 2 women fucking. But some of you don’t see the big picture, you’re cropped out.
Homosexual behavior has been found in nature in mostly all mammals and birds and fish. Before our society, homosexuality was not considered a sin, disease or disability. It was seen as normal by many civilizations. In today’s age, you’re brainwashed into hateful thinking about all the other people surrounding you so you think they are all your enemies while the real enemy is poisoning your food, brains and makes you a slave with no freedom. By dividing us, the enemy can destroy us one by one. Unity is the only answer.
I don't hate anyone. I strive to find love for all, as Christ teaches. I just don't want overt displays of sexual material in the workplace. A rainbow bracelet is one thing but I explicitly called out gay pride flags as backgrounds, a very overt sign of support for a sexual orientation or preference.
I promise I’m not patronizing but If you have such strong opinions about a subject I think you should maybe research how difficult life can be to LGBT people just because they want to love and be loved. They are killed and beaten for who they are. The entire existence is hated because of what? Because of love!!! Because they LOVE! When my company supports LGBT is not because they want to push it in your throat, is because from all the suffering they had to endure in the past, now they are finally free to LOVE and LIVE and we celebrate humanism together.
Maybe you also ask yourself why there isn’t a Straight Pride. Straight pride happens every day. We all talk about how nice the pussy is, we kiss our wives in public and hold their hands with no issues. Gay people can’t do that. Come on…
You mention Christ and shit, man please. I’m going to stop here. I just hope one day, people will understand that Christ means love and brother you’re not spreading love at all. Wish you the best and sorry if I made you feel uncomfortable with these comments. I just want you to open your eyes.
in the most charitable and well-intentioned sense possible, displaying "LGBT imagery" is supposed to be a signal which states "I'm not going to bully you" and a lot of gay people feel helped by that because they are used to being treated badly sometimes and they feel like it's unfair.
if I see a person displaying "LGBT imagery" I can feel certain that I can casually mention that I had a nice vacation with my boyfriend and the chance of being mistreated for saying it is zero. gay people navigate social situations with a constant concern that they may be mistreated by others if they mention for example their significant other.
while I understand that "LGBT imagery" is useful in this regard, I recognize that it gets attached to a lot of other ideas I don't personally agree with. I like that I can see a person displaying "LGBT imagery" and feel certain that they aren't going to bully me, but on the other hand, I find myself assuming that they are more likely to be a socialist or a censorship apologist or someone who tolerates medically transitioning children. it's attached to too many things.
Thank you for your civilized comment. I’m trying to understand your point of view and not judge your way of thinking. I would like to tell you that each person is different and everywhere in the world there are good and bad people. It’s just a choice of living their life.
What I can assure you is that the gay community do not support children transitioning.
I’ve seen these things on TV and the internet and this should not be allowed. Kids are easily susceptible to wanting to be like someone they love. A child might want to be a different gender because they love and actor or singer or someone in their family. This should not be supported by society until the child becomes an adult and can choose for himself. That is actually problematic if it happens before they can take decisions for themselves and I also don’t agree with that.
I’m not sure if I understand your comment fully but I want to tell you that people cannot be influenced into switching their sexual orientation.
I grew up with gay family members and I’m straight.
In the same light, my gay family members and friends grew up in surrounded by heterosexual individuals and were not influenced to become straight.
>What I can assure you is that the gay community do not support children transitioning
If it wasn't clear I'm gay myself. While I don't support medically transitioning children and I can't find any gays or lesbians IRL who tell me they do, it's being attached to us in certain ways. if a politician or a non-profit promises to protect me, there is a very strong chance they are also going to protect the right to abuse a child via medical transition, and there is also a very strong chance that they will propagate socialism, censorship, civilian disarmament, and many other things I do not like. this is why I have sympathy for people who feel apprehensive about "LGBT imagery."
Ah sorry, I did not understand what you meant in the first comment. My apologies.
I don't need symbology to know to treat people with respect. It should just be the default. No signaling needed. Especially in a professional context, respect should be the default without overt signaling.
Persecution is nothing new for humanity.
It's clear you're upset about my comment but you're arguing beyond my stated complaint.
I hope the rest of your evening is less upsetting.
Of course I’m upset about your comment. I can’t believe we live in such a destructive society and we are all struggling to breath but we still have issues with what other people is doing. It saddens me more than upsetting me.
Look at our state, we barely afford food and housing but we still push these small inconveniences against each other. There’s nothing wrong into letting people live.
You mention a pride flag wallpaper in an office environment in your previous comment. Like really? That’s what bothers you in this society? Don’t you see how messed up this entire existence is? Just so you understand I’m not even part of the LGBT community, I just can’t understand how so many people are not able to zoom out and look at the state of the world right now. We can’t barely survive, we work our lives away, the educational system is corrupt, healthcare even worst, our kids will grow up in this society. Let’s make it better!
Maybe an appropriate question would be: why do you feel so compelled to have overt indications about your relationship preferences?
Yeah I don't believe humanity will survive with anal sex mate.
Biologically, it won't work.
You do you, I still disagree and find it morally (and religiously wrong).
Just know nothing about it makes moral or biological sense. You do you, but your attempts to convince will fail.
I say this in kindness, not hate.
There will never be a time where everyone will be gay and bring societal collapse 😄 what are you even talking about?
If you’re religious then why don’t you just love everyone and let them be?
Again, my comments are trying to explain that gay or not LOVE IS LOVE. We should all experience it and be free to experience it with anyone we prefer.
I’m not trying to throw shit at you but it always the Christians, isn’t it. You all talk about love and Christ but man you hate everyone around you. Can’t let someone live their lives, can’t you?
You should talk to Muslims about homosexuality.
It’s really interesting to see how you, believers in some kind of god, will think you are the one born under the right god and then fight about it. I find your behavior very interesting especially since you both come from “love”.
Jews, Christians and Muslims all worship the same God. We just disagree on prophets and who is the Messiah.
Jews and Muslims both reject that God is trinitarian. They therefore do not worship the same God as Christians.
Is this in Scripture somewhere?
Which part?
The differentiation of God
Yes. The Christian Scriptures (Old and New Testament) present a God distinct from the Jewish understanding (based primarily on the Pentateuch and the Telmud) and Islamic understanding (based primarily on the Qur'an).
The numerous creeds and confessions of the Christian Church also further solidify the distinctions between Christianity and every other religion, especially the so-called "Abrahamic" ones.
The Scriptures are brimming with trinitarian imagery, language, references, and affirmations (including in the Pentateuch) rejected by Jews and Muslims.
Jews and Muslims also have very little in common with one another doctrinally, by the way, but they share in a rejection of God as trinity and especially of Jesus as one of the three persons of the trinity.
Uh no
Wdym?
On Allah and Yahweh: https://www.gotquestions.org/same-God.html
Same applies to the Jews. The failure to recognize and accept Jesus constitues a rejection of the God they once worshiped.
Fair. So it's still the same God, Jews and Muslim just deviated to a false one. I'll be more specific in my wording next time.
Eh. Misunderstanding of not acknowledging the Trinity doesn't convince me they're different Gods.
There is only one God. And if we're right on that then others misunderstanding doesn't negate it.
Where misunderstanding becomes idolatry is a really interesting question. It depends on what constitutes the identity of God. If you mean "the ultimate", then you can say that everyone worships the same god, but "same" loses its meaning. On the other hand, if you draw a distinction between the gods worshiped by different sects of Christianity based on our conception of him (for example, whether he is physically present in the eucharist), then you commit the "no true Scotsman" fallacy, which is what you're objecting to here, and it becomes a purity test which no one can pass (no one fully understands the nature of God, and so no one actually has access to him). So there must be some kind of middle ground.
I think of this in terms of identifying your father. What constitutes your father's identity? Is it that he loves you? Or provides for you? Or is genetically your father? What if someone is adopted without knowing it, does that justify calling his adoptive father his true father? You have to define your terms — and it's ok to talk about emotional or genetic or emulative fathers in different contexts. But once you define your terms, those terms dictate who qualifies as your father.
For me, the Trinity and the incarnation are two sine qua nons of the Christian doctrine of God. Faith traditions that explicitly reject those doctrines are explicitly rejecting essential characteristics of God. That doesn't mean their faith isn't related, or derivative, or helpful in some way. But according to Christian doctrine it's not saving faith (Romans 10:9). For human semantic purposes you have to draw the line somewhere. And I think saying "we all worship the same God", while justifiable in some sense, is more misleading than helpful because it's what our postmodern, subjective view of God is amenable to already anyway (and makes the individual into the ultimate arbiter — i.e., God). The world doesn't need platitudes, it needs definition and clarity about who God is — and that Jesus is Lord.
I love you to bits, hodlbod, and your arguments are well constructed … but I’m not buying it.
I don’t know god. Can’t imagine anyone does. My god might as well be the same “unknowable” that anybody else imagines to know. Even while “knowing him” is prolly the most wonderful thing that any one of us can do, doesn’t make knowing absolute.
I’d even go so far as to say that the unknowableness is exactly what makes god so … godly. And I honestly don’t see a problem with this … or with the practice (or even one’s certainty) of knowing him. It’s all wonderful.
You are wonderful in your certainty, but that doesn’t make you right … like absolutely right.
I don’t think I’m being postmodern, but I may just be wrong. God is real, and available for us all. That’s enough for me. 💜
I'm a Bitcoin maxi because I understand what separates Bitcoin from all the other shitcoins.
I'm a Jesus/Christianity maxi because I understand what separates Jesus/Christianity from all other gods/religions.
There is one true, and infinity false. Find the one true.
Good perspective.
Interesting thread to observe...
I think most would consider those disagreements fairly significant.
Significant, yes.
yes- satan and lucifer
It isn't loving to let someone live a lie or live in a way that is harmful to self. We don't encourage drunks to drink more and we don't encourage drug addicts to do more drugs because it is harmful. We don't encourage someone in debt to spend more.
Disagreeing with someone isn't hate. Sometimes disagreeing with someone is the most loving thing we can do. Ignoring harmful behavior is easier. Trying to help someone escape harmful behavior is harder, but more loving.
Also, religiously wrong? I’m sorry but you’re not very informed about what religion teaches. Love is not religiously wrong. I think you are listening to what your pastor tells you to think and believe not what Christ or whomever you follow teaches.
