Nostr

I think its real, you think its real, but I am searching for a universizable definition for real. Its easy to assume something is real when you can touch it, but you can't touch bitcoin. I could say bitcoin is real based on assumptions about the node software, the block hash, the fixed supply etc., but that is a different set of requirements at first glance than how you would normally determine if a physical object is real, collectors items aside.

Any elaboration on the "relationship" between the subjective and the objective?

Scott 2y ago

Hmm. Philosophical history probably tells us that your quest is somewhat futile.

Everything we experience has varying degrees of concreteness/abstractness and I think that determines how easy it is to tell if that thing is real.

I don’t think you’re going to come up with some magic criteria that will make abstract realities all-of-sudden obvious. As bitcoin is a little more abstract, it will always be harder to grasp than something tangible.

As far as the relationship, I think the unity between the self and non-self is deeper than the distinction. So that would mean we have a deep connectedness with that which is beyond us.

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Geist 2y ago

Hmm, yes it seems like this is one of those questions people have asked for forever and never settled on. The varying degrees of abstractness and what makes something obvious still leads me back to subjective experience and degrees of trust. More tomorrow if you want to add, time for bed, GN.

Scott 2y ago

What do you mean by degrees of trust?

Geist 2y ago

I have a high degree of trust that a video us real if I took it, slightly less is a family or friend took it and vouches for it, less if its on social media etc.

Scott 2y ago

Gotcha, gotcha. I feel like the way you were using the word “subjective” earlier made it sound like you view it as something that is untrustworthy. Is that accurate?

Geist 2y ago

I don't know if I would call the subjective untrustworthy, it could vary person to person but it doesn't have to, its just whatever you see something as, which could be influenced by drugs, experience, sleep deprivation etc.

Scott 2y ago

Maybe you define real like this: that which is within you is synchronized with that which is outside of you.

Scott 2y ago

You could*