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Right on, I absolutely agree with this kind of position.

I too believe this kind of direction is going to be inevitable all over the world. There's going to be UBI like redistribution, the States will need become more efficient and focus on that UBI like redistribution mechanisms mostly, and the wealthy in time will more openly contribute because they see it as the win-win-win, they'll realize it's the best way to maintain and expand their position (because UBI is the win-win-win, etc).

- Money needs to flow from real estate to a UBI and Bitcoin

People here disagree with it because this is a very specific and niche group that sees things from a more ideological perspective than a purely economic perspective, which I believe nostr:nprofile1qyvhwumn8ghj76mwdaehgu3wdejh2arjd9hx2tnrdakszymhwden5te0d45hxumtv4ujuvp59eekjqpqk7vkcxp7qdkly7qzj3dcpw7u3v9lt9cmvcs6s6ln26wrxggh7p7sjlnx5t is very good at (strong macro analysis, plenty of numbers, etc, etc).

Because if one looks at the economic numbers and historical parallels, this kind of model ends in self-destruction. The numbers simply don't fit. The numbers don't work. This system can't work like this. Forget about ideology, the current economic model simply doesn't work.

And this is incredibly bad for capitalism. Because you can't have capitalism without capital. If capital sits only at the top it's feudalism, not capitalism.

I'm actually writing/working in this direction. I think UBI is not only perfectly compatible but fundamental for a more capitalist future. A transitional model to a more voluntaryist future that everybody here loves and wants. And that I personally admire too. But the numbers simply don't allow that to happen right now. And people need to understand that...

You can't have capitalism without capital. If capital sits only at the top it's feudalism, not capitalism.

Great post by nostr:nprofile1qyvhwumn8ghj76mwdaehgu3wdejh2arjd9hx2tnrdakszymhwden5te0d45hxumtv4ujuvp59eekjqpqk7vkcxp7qdkly7qzj3dcpw7u3v9lt9cmvcs6s6ln26wrxggh7p7sjlnx5t. Finally there's some interesting positions being posted on Nostr, not just the same Bitcoin memes.

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Surely slogans such as ‘Bitcoin fixes this’ are enough?!

Ahah, love it :)

I see they don't question taxation (theft) as the societal foundation.

Anybody who doesn't bring up this topic first will cry for more authoritarianism over voluntary interaction that can heal old wounds.

Maybe he does though. This is just a post. Maybe he's pretty voluntaryist in his thinking. Who knows?

I know I am voluntaryist, for me the most voluntaryist way is always the best. In my view the very wealthy in the right conditions will definitely want to contribute. If the ideas are good, and they offer legacy, productivity, power maintenance, everybody will want to come in.

I think the real problem with taxation for most people is that it's money spent in the most ridiculous of things. I fully agree!

You can still spend voluntarily collected money in hilarious ways. The difference is. That is when the flow of money stops.

The main problem with theft and extortion are criminal acts at the foundation of "civilised" society. It's poison running through the veines of every institution built on top of it.

You can't have capitalism without cheap labour

Why not? As long as people can buy what they need and have quality of life, that labour can be cheap for someone. Or not?

Cheap labour drives cheap pricing and production. It's the most expensive input cost usually, cheaper you can get it, the bigger the margin.

Yeah, beyond a certain point wealth doesn't even benefit the rich. Because wealth only has value as long as everyone plays the "have respect for other people's property game." People tend to play this game because we're all safer as a result from doing so, and the rich benefit especially from everyone playing this game.

But when the majority of the population are ground down so deeply into the mud that they stop respecting other people's property then property itself becomes worthless.