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I really like the idea of a side by side parallel. From the hebrew/greek/whatever, with the phonetics and transliterations notes beside the original texts.

I read the Qur'an in a highly regarded (haha, no, really, trusted by Sunnis in Morocco anyhow) parallel edition. To be honest, that book is pretty lame for the most part, like a weaksauce copy of the first 4 books of the New Testament mashed together with bits of Deuteronomy and Numbers and repeatedly talking about this notion of the punishment of the sinners eg Sodom and Gomorrah and a couple of other examples.

Honestly, I did not know when I first encountered the Book of Enoch that it was even a Christian text, nor that it had anything to do with the Apocrypha, or that it had been almost lost thanks to the Cattle Tick church psychopaths (in the negative way ofc).

It was this fancy looking illuminated version I was first shown, and it was too fancy for me to even read it. Gold leaf edges and pure white leather binding, and a big edition, like 30x50cm sorta size, mostly light glossy pages and pretty illustrations between chapters.

The person that showed it to me was a hairy fairy new agey type so I just wrote it off as some fanciful thing that had some mention of astrology in it.

Oh boy it's so much more than that, and not that at all really. I mean, a whole chapter talks about the sun and moon and the 12 signs of the zodiac, in rather clumsy, quite abbreviated form. "The Apocalypse of Yajnavalkya really gives you the idea you need to read it, especially if you are Christian.

@Loki , in your opinion, does the book of enoch fit with the whole of the bible? ( I mean is it in harmony with all that is said through christ, the apostles and the prophets?) I have not read enoch because there is so much truth to be found in the 66 books of the bible that I have not come to the point that I need enoch.

I would take the time to read it if there were people saying it is in harmony with the whole of the bible, but that is not what I have read in commentary by people who have read it.

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It is evident that Christ was well versed in the book of Enoch. I find it worth reading. I love that part where the angels are pleading with God to do something about the fallen watchers and he does nothing. The second that men make the same plea to God, the next verse is him telling Noah to build the ark because he is about to flood the earth to get rid of them. Our pleas to God are VERY important

Can you give an example of how Christ was well versed in the book of Enoch? (I would like to look into that) I know Paul references Enoch a time or two, but I think it was about Enoch the person, and not about the book of Enoch or about scriptures. For example many times Christ and the apostles reference the old testament saying things like "as was written by isaiah the prophet".

correction: I think more accurate: "as was SPOKEN by isaiah the prophet". I'm not sure if Isaiah wrote the book or some other scribes more likely did the writing.

The book of Enoch I purchased is a version that constantly shows how the new testament (and words of Christ) sometimes come directly from the book. It will have the new testament verses right after the book of Enoch verse. Sometimes it's word for word. Other times the concept Christ teaches is obviously the same concepts from the book. It's quite evident he was well versed in the book.

It is also obvious that it's what you should be following, not the mangled bible.

Simon bar Giora is a historical person who was mixed in with the Jesus character in the books too. They made much use of this in Life of Brian, which was largely based on this person, who was well known by all the contemporary historians as a once loved, then hated Jewish revolutionary. The reason, also, why the Torah spews so much vitriol at him.

I haven't finished my first read through, but I strongly suspect that Enoch even has a vision that tells you the whole story of the last 2000 years, the 1000 years of Christianity, followed by 1000 years of satanism.

For me the most important thing is that the Angels, and their leader, were HUMANS, and the entire edifice of Judaism, Christianity and Islam are a form of cargo cult. I already saw pretty convincing arguments some time back that the majority of the Old Testament was related to a propaganda campaign to sell a war against Palestine.

It does not materially change anything. The "fictional" Jesus is based on one of the "Angels". For me, the sticking point came when I read Revelation 21, because the expression "Morning Star" means an archangel. As in, Gabriel, Uriel, Michael, the others, that I don't recall exactly. Gabriel was supposedly involved in the birth story, but since that's all in question to me, it is most likely false, since the birth and resurrection story are from Sun God mythology. Which is cult of kings stuff. And the Trinity, haha. Straight out of the story of Babylon.

The "Angels" who had the "War in Heaven" this war was about the exploitation of the more primitive humans, and the interbreeding with them that yielded extraordinarily tall and strong "giants". Yeah, like Goliath, even. It doesn't go as far back as the modern orthodoxy claims, but it goes further back than what people often believe, the 6000 years story. That actually clearly dates it as Sumerian/Phonecian, and is completely false as any kind of "literal" truth as is the belief of catholic and protestant christianity.

Anyhow, it's the most important book, because it is the oldest and it was censored by TPTB around 1700 years ago, so much so it only reappeared in the 19th century.

The best part though, is it makes the entire "Second Coming" thing a lot more concrete and meaningful to me, as also the "Bright and Morning Star"

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+22&version=NIV

>16 “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you[a] this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”

The reason why this verse bothers me is that "Morning Star" is also found in several places in the Old Testament as referring to archangels, and THE Morning star, definite article, is supposedly the same individual called "The Serpent" in Genesis.

Cannot Compute.

For me this is the most glaring inconsistency of the Catholic curated Bible.

Clearly "Lucifer" is not Jesus. And clearly also, the verse is not literal because how can an individual be both the great grand-daddy AND the latest offspring of the Jewish royalty???

Did you know that the English royalty (and by extension the entire european royalty) are also, supposedly "offspring of David"?

Yeah. hm. I'm not worshipping that, I don't care what you say.

And Revelation 22:8-9:

> 8 I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me. 9 But he said to me, “Don’t do that! *I am a fellow servant with you and with your fellow prophets* and with all who keep the words of this scroll. Worship God!”

Is this not saying that a historically recorded MAN, is equal to an Angel? By the words of the Angel himself??? And this angel claims to have identity with Jesus.

Thanks for your thoughts. I find the bible to be in complete harmony one book to the next. I also find that organized religions teach doctrine that is very twisted and NOT in harmony with the scriptures. I may read Enoch at some point, but knowing it is not in harmony with the prophets and apostles, it's very low on my todo list.

If you really think the bible is mangled, I would encourage you to read some more, using "the eyes of your heart". Just as Jesus spoke in parables, the truth is carefully concealed and requires heart and spirit, and lowliness of mind to get the sense of it.

"The meek shall inherit the earth" is from Enoch. There is reason to believe that he may have been a direct descendant of ... well... there is several names, one of them is Head of Days but the greeks originally called him Atlas, the source of the name Atlantis. The one who organised a mission to warn the impending meteor storm 12000 years ago. Which leads to another one from Enoch that predates the old testament: "I will make a sign in the sky" regarding the "rainbow" after the flood.

In Enoch it is much more clear that this angel, who was probably the father of the "angel" who came to be referred to as Jesus, MADE A MISTAKE. Specifically, some of the satans (the word used in Enoch, meaning enemies) referring to the "angels" who interbred with humans - that the warnings were heard by these enemies, and several of them survived. Notably, one of them being one of the sons of Noah.

And "The most high" as distinct from "God" is another distinction that is easier to see in Enorch. God is still the all knowing source of all creation. The king of the "angels", Atlas, did not create this world or universe, this is childish nonsense misunderstanding the nature of technology, and mangling the words. Humans "made" cows too. The wild Aurochs was as big as modern cows but as aggressive as goats. Selective breeding made the animal submissive.