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What I have noticed from many of the detractors of these posts about marriage and children by nostr:nprofile1qqsp4lsvwn3aw7zwh2f6tcl6249xa6cpj2x3yuu6azaysvncdqywxmgpz4mhxue69uhk2er9dchxummnw3ezumrpdejqzenhwden5te0ve5kcar9wghxummnw3ezuamfdejj7mnsw43rzun5d3ckxcfcwgmxzatev9mn2m34dqekcdf5xgexgmf5wde8jdty0fnx2ef5xcunven3v5u8xdn3va6kg6mnxajx5arxwvlkyun0v9jxxctnws7hgun4v5dpfm4n is an underlying rejection of an objective moral standard.

The strong libertarian ethos of the Bitcoin and Nostr community has many positive qualities, but one of the biggest ditches libertarians fall into is the *everything is subjective* mindset and the assumption that freedom means people can do and think whatever they want (always with some vague caveat about not hurting other people) because every lifestyle decision is of equal moral value and deserves to be respected.

But there is an objective moral standard and there are objectively bad reasons to not get married or have children. If someone chooses not to get married or have children for one of these objectively bad reasons, they are *free* to do so, but that decision is still, nonetheless, a morally impoverished one.

Coming up with a thousand nuanced situations that justify a person not having children doesn't change the normativity of having them, the joy and fulfillment found in having them, the objectively superior moral value in having them, or the civilizational suicide course we are on because we aren't having them.

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All these words doesn’t negate the fact that it is not essential to have kids or marriage to be fulfilled. That’s the contention. I think everyone here is smart enough to realize this isn’t about any one shitting on marriage or kids.

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A fair point. What I am saying relates to arguments I have seen from a number of people in and around this core discussion. You are right that no one is specifically shitting on marriage and children. I am responding to what they *are* saying.

Also, the use of the word "essential" was only in one of his recent posts on the matter but there are other posts he has made that got equally hostile responses.

For what it is worth, I personally would say that marriage and family are *essential* for a society but *normative* for the individual.

Unless you have a transformative spiritual life that produces beyond a family (A priest being father to a parish) you're going to be hard pressed to find a vocation with a greater calling than to become husband and father. Seriously, what could you be doing now or in the future that's more important? What are the vast majority doing that's more important? Working a 9-5 (or more), playing video games and watching TV/Youtube?

I don’t disagree with anything you just said. But the idea that those things are essential and necessary for fulfillment and meaning in life is just wrong. And there are a million other lifestyle alternatives than “video games and weed.” If someone wants to be that rigid and dogmatic about how one derives purpose, meaning and fulfillment, that’s fine but then they shouldn’t call themselves an “individualist” and a “freedom maximalist.” Bottom line is people don’t like being told that they need to act, behave and be a certain way.