What I have noticed from many of the detractors of these posts about marriage and children by nostr:nprofile1qqsp4lsvwn3aw7zwh2f6tcl6249xa6cpj2x3yuu6azaysvncdqywxmgpz4mhxue69uhk2er9dchxummnw3ezumrpdejqzenhwden5te0ve5kcar9wghxummnw3ezuamfdejj7mnsw43rzun5d3ckxcfcwgmxzatev9mn2m34dqekcdf5xgexgmf5wde8jdty0fnx2ef5xcunven3v5u8xdn3va6kg6mnxajx5arxwvlkyun0v9jxxctnws7hgun4v5dpfm4n is an underlying rejection of an objective moral standard.

The strong libertarian ethos of the Bitcoin and Nostr community has many positive qualities, but one of the biggest ditches libertarians fall into is the *everything is subjective* mindset and the assumption that freedom means people can do and think whatever they want (always with some vague caveat about not hurting other people) because every lifestyle decision is of equal moral value and deserves to be respected.

But there is an objective moral standard and there are objectively bad reasons to not get married or have children. If someone chooses not to get married or have children for one of these objectively bad reasons, they are *free* to do so, but that decision is still, nonetheless, a morally impoverished one.

Coming up with a thousand nuanced situations that justify a person not having children doesn't change the normativity of having them, the joy and fulfillment found in having them, the objectively superior moral value in having them, or the civilizational suicide course we are on because we aren't having them.

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Well said

What's this shit, the morality police?

there is No objective moral standard whstsever

well said

Having kids is good. There are also objectively good reasons for some people to not have kids 🤷‍♂️

This doesn’t need to be complicated.

Precisely.

No.

AND Bitcoin doesn’t care.

There is no Morality. That notion is illusory and superstitious in origin. God's law is for our own good, not for His. This is why it was called a gift. The gift was turned into bondage, because man could not keep His law, and the price of recompense would not prevent violating it. This is why we needed redemption.

There are ethics, there is the law of love written on our hearts (the two greatest laws), but morality is judgement and condemnation.

The discussion about parenthood should not be one implying a moral condition, only a guidepost for those who have never heard the truth of parenthood, and how it is an Inheritance from The Lord.

All these words doesn’t negate the fact that it is not essential to have kids or marriage to be fulfilled. That’s the contention. I think everyone here is smart enough to realize this isn’t about any one shitting on marriage or kids.

A fair point. What I am saying relates to arguments I have seen from a number of people in and around this core discussion. You are right that no one is specifically shitting on marriage and children. I am responding to what they *are* saying.

Also, the use of the word "essential" was only in one of his recent posts on the matter but there are other posts he has made that got equally hostile responses.

For what it is worth, I personally would say that marriage and family are *essential* for a society but *normative* for the individual.

Unless you have a transformative spiritual life that produces beyond a family (A priest being father to a parish) you're going to be hard pressed to find a vocation with a greater calling than to become husband and father. Seriously, what could you be doing now or in the future that's more important? What are the vast majority doing that's more important? Working a 9-5 (or more), playing video games and watching TV/Youtube?

I don’t disagree with anything you just said. But the idea that those things are essential and necessary for fulfillment and meaning in life is just wrong. And there are a million other lifestyle alternatives than “video games and weed.” If someone wants to be that rigid and dogmatic about how one derives purpose, meaning and fulfillment, that’s fine but then they shouldn’t call themselves an “individualist” and a “freedom maximalist.” Bottom line is people don’t like being told that they need to act, behave and be a certain way.

Judging by these responses...

Natural selection is real

Very

We as free individuals can choose what we do, and whether the reason is moral or simply logical. There's no hierarchy in that, you're not superior depending on your choice. I love my kids, but would be perfectly fine otherwise. I would simply do other stuff, and would probably take more risks. As simple as that

This is the very reason why argumentation ethics, propertarianism, and the NAP exist.

I don't particularly care if this specific civilization continues in its current form. I value my personal freedom more than the abstract future.

Well said sir!

100%. Libertarianism asserts when an individual is ethically permitted to employ force against another. Other than rejecting the initiation of force, libertarianism makes no claim on how individuals should live their life. For that, you need another framework

Kindly consider those who desperately want them, and are for whatever reason, denied. OFC there are many unwanted children in this world to adopt.

Yes, absolutely. I'm not arguing that there aren't any objectively *good* (meaning justified) reasons to not have children. There are. I am arguing that there also exists objectively *bad* reasons to not have kids. Infertility or other issues that prevent someone from having children is a justified reason for not having them (and a hard providence that I have a great deal of sympathy for).