Replying to Avatar Guy Swann

Is it just me, or does it seem like everyone is super reluctant to monetize services and relays on #Nostr?

If we can’t make these things sustainable then we will either lose them, or they will stay nothing more than a weird little corner of the internet with lots of hope but no chance of ever scaling.

I still haven’t seen the basic model of zap sharing tried by any major client or relay. But I DO see regularly comments about how expensive relays are. I mean it might not work, but can’t we TRY it?

I want to make the distinction here too that this doesn’t mean we are closing off the network, we are adding permissions to the protocol, this doesn’t suggest at all to used closed source code, we simply need the services necessary to keep this ecosystem robust, to be profitable and have the resources to thrive. If they aren’t, then NONE of this works. Economics is everything.

I know building features is more exciting. I know we all want to make everything that we can free, and I agree all of the *code* should be shared. However, I think there is a natural insecurity (and I say this because I have this problem personally) with charging a fair price, and fearing criticism or the ire of people who believe everything should be free (as in price) when we need things to be free (as in Liberty). They are not the same, and confusing the two could stifle, or drastically slow down, the insane potential of this place.

TL;DR We have GOT to divert some energy to thinking about how to make this ecosystem sustainable, or we will lose it.

(Disclaimer: this isn’t a judgement on whoever is thinking about this problem. It just *seems* like few are. If you are building in this way please share your ideas or what you are trying. I’m extremely interested)

I agree this is something important to get right. There’s a chicken and egg issue too. Hard to sustain a business on a small pool of users, hard to build a business strong enough to handle sudden growth with funding.

I am watching with anticipation to see who (outside of grants and VC funding) will be the first people to make a living on Nostr.

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It’ll be shitposters 😂

Most likely. And edgelords.

That's a good question! My intuition says it's not yet possible to make a living without grant of funding yet. Maybe a new use case that generates lots of capturable value with low initial development cost. I'd love to see this!

Praying it's a regular person with mininal skills that lives of nostr zaps 1st via subscriptions.

Whats a better reward for all the work put in, than to see it's actually changing lives of everyday people?

(That can in turn go out there and spread adoption)