Why did God reveal the steam engine?
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There is no evidence that god revealed the steam engine
The engine in the evidence
It’s not. Evidence must be clear and indisputable. Being overly vague is not a sign of spirituality even though religious people typically behind vague and unprovable arguments.
That's true. My point was, how could anything come to be without God's will? Since literally everything is divinely inspired, the claim that scripture is divinely inspired is unimpressive. Also it has to be said that before the Reformation, no one was claiming anything in the bible was divinely inspired. Islam makes that claim ; Christianity historically didn't.
Someone in the past felt inspired by Revelations. That's a good reason to ask why, but not a good reason to assign divine significance without first testing and understanding it.
Logos means logic. That's literally the word. Christianity has fallen **_very_** far from its logical roots. I urge you and all believers of every kind to drop the belief nonsense. Don't trust ; verify. Real is real, independent of belief. Belief should be reserved for **_after_** proving something logically. To say that if you believe, you're saved, is to give people the benefit if the doubt - that they're not dumb and actually test things and work through the merits of things. But people forgot the most important part! Logos! Lol.
If nothing can come to be without gods will then that would include evil. So why does a good deity will evil into the world? And how can this same entity justify judging and punishing its own evil creation?
I don't think he does judge or punish us. That's a human interpretation, which was obviously very useful to political structures in the past.
What are some examples of evil? Just people doing shitty things? Pain? Hell fire? I honestly can't think of any truly evil things that I could blame on God.
A human interpretation of the bible? It's pretty clear that a hell does exist for those that don't believe in christ as god.
Stealing, taxes, murder, war... The people who commit these cannot do that without gods will (as you stated above).
Free will exists, despite the "intellectuals" insisting it doesn't. Can you think of a way to design the universe that would allow for more choice?
If you think hell is a place with all the imagery that the Catholics invented, I'm sorry but that's just wrong. The fire and demons and Satan with cloven hoofs! How much retarded is it possible to be?
The Bible uses the term, "lake of fire," or just "fire." That was a known expression in the Levant because it was from the Egyptian religion. In fact, all of it is, even Christ. That doesn't mean its not true. Its fuckin awesome, IMO. The Egyptians believed that you went into the lake of fire to be reborn in this earth. That was a different route than when you went to Amenti and became a star in heaven, if you were free from attachment - in other words, illusion. This is verifyable. I know some judgemental Christian will read this and think whatever they think, but you can just read what they believed. Just read, man...
You didn't give me an example of evil that is God's fault. Those things were people.
Religious people love to shift the burden of proof to others. My inability to design a better universe is not proof that your religion is the truth.
I don't personally believe in a lake of fire or hell.
You said that god wills everything and that would include the evil actions of his creation.
But you still haven't given an example of evil. Pain is not evil. People are not God. Well, in a way they are, but basically they're not.
The example doesn't matter. Rape, murder, theft, taxation. You pick whichever evil you want. You said that god wills everything which means that he wills these evil acts taken by humans.
Pretty sure I said anything coming into the world must be from divine inspiration... Well, something like that.
The pattern is obvious - good things enter the world first, then the concept gets corrupted. But always good first. Look at Bitcoin - the good thing came into the world, and then came the shitcoining. Same story with everything. Find me an exception, I cant think of one.
The bad is from humans. To ask why God allows bad things is to ask both what God is and what the purpose of existence is. Ambitious enough?
If you don't think you have free will, then just test it. Do something neither you nor God would approve of. Actually please don't, but you can if you seriously think free will isn't real.
You said how could anything come to be without gods will. That means god wills everything to be including evil. You can admit that this statement is wrong and offer a different view but that is what you said and I'm not going to move on from it aha
Okay but you were asking how God could have created evil. I'm still waiting for an example of evil that is God's doing and not humans.
God created satan and adam. He knows their nature. He set up temptation for adam knowing that he would succumb and eat the fruit. Intentionally setting someone up for failure is evil. It's equivalent to giving car keys to a child and then saying it's not my fault that they got hurt trying to drive. It was their free will and lack of reasoning. That's neglect and child endangerment.
What does failure mean? What are the preconditions, and the mechanics, broadly speaking?
Failing to abide by the rule to not eat from the tree
That has a nonliteral meaning. Its as misunderstood as Revelations.
Broadly speaking. What's a goal you might fail or succeed at? What do you need to be able to succeed? What do you get by succeeding? Is success a thing if failure isn't possible?